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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThere is no such thing as economic asylum - and condemning tens of thousands more plus their descendants to the same economic forces these folks are fleeing is NOT Christian.
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe solution to endemic poverty isn't to let a few people leave while others are condemned to stay because it's the most productive, most problematic (for the governments) that will leave, giving an escape valve to the political forces that would otherwise force change.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostFirst Carp, from everything I have read the majority of those in this recent influx would not qualify for asylum, but merely came here for work.
Originally posted by seer View PostSecond, we could let them apply then send them back. That should take only a day or so. If they qualify, bring them back. Everything you leftists are suggesting is only making the problem worse.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI've not found that data anywhere.
Or the data has not been presented - only high-level news reports spun left or right by the respective media."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAsylum remains something a country of good conscience will consider. I am surprised a Christian would make such a sweeping statement. Perhaps the parable of the Good Samaritan should be reviewed?
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWhere did I say anything about economic asylum?
Your responding to something I didn't say or think, so I'll leave it to you."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYour responding to something I didn't say or think, so I'll leave it to you.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf that is true - then the majority will be sent back - after the appropriate due process
Actually - if the solutions I outlined in previous posts were put in place, I suspect the immigration problem would significantly diminish, without making the sweeping "send them all back" statements that are being made here.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo they won't - we have to release them into the population (catch and release), then they are here for good.
Originally posted by seer View Post????
Meanwhile, we also need a president less prone to ratcheting up anti-immigrant sentiment.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Teallaura View Post*emphasis mine
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou're being awfully obtuse today - your quote appears above. We were discussing the current border situation to which asylum does not apply in the vast majority of cases.
I also do not remember asking you to provide any data, so your comments about my motivations are more than a bit off. I simply noted that there is some data I would like to see, and I have not been able to find it, raising the question how anyone could hold the positions you espouse in the absence of this data.Last edited by carpedm9587; 07-29-2019, 05:42 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTo bad the majority of children forced to cross thousands of miles of open desert on foot are not accompanied by their parents.
That seems extremely unlikely. The only actual numbers I can find are from ACLU report that claims that out of 2600 children separated from accompanying adults, only 46 were unrelated.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI couldn't agree more with Michael Gerson:
The deeper scandal is this: Trump is trying to make desperate, suffering people the villains of our national story. He compares refugees fleeing repression and violence to snakes. He smears them as rapists and invaders. In his warped moral vision, mercy is a form of national weakness. Kindness and respect are crimes against the state. His approach to nationalism involves slander against the voiceless. It demands further oppression of the oppressed. Trump wants to change not just the policy of our government, but also the character of our country, into something hard, and dark, and dishonorable, and pitiless.
As to the allegations that wad dishonestly dribbled out in that paragraph --
He's a faux conservative Never-Trumper taking the typical liberal view. In fact, all the ones who enter illegally *are* "invaders," encroachers, intruders. It's widely reported that numerous rapes are perpetrated en route, so by definition, a significant portion of the invaders are also rapists. Gerson, who I suppose purports to be "Christian," is the one committing "slander," also known as "bearing false witness," against Trump. Yes, he wants to change the policy of our government -- AWAY from the policies enacted under previous Administrations that are at fault in the current border crisis. The thing that is "hard, dark, dishonorable" is the heart of such a false accuser.
This is surely the kind of thing that people of faith exist to oppose. Christians in particular worship a God who put on the cloak of human need and weakness. A refugee God. A scarred God. A God sacrificed to political necessity, in front of a crowd claiming to serve justice and law.
If he's advocating putting Americans at risk for the sake of hordes that may or may not be true refugees, and advocating law-breaking in the process, he's a turd of a Christian.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThere is much data I would like to see before I would swallow this argument.
1) What number of children are arriving at the border in the company of someone who claims parentage?
2) What number of these lack any resources to prove parentage?
3) For those who lack that ability, a simple DNA test will make the case. Why can we not house them in a supervised setting with those claiming to be parents until that test can be completed (2-3 days), avoiding the need to separate children from bonafide parents and also avoiding children being with "hardened criminals" without supervision to ensure the safety of the children?
DNA tests reveal 30% of suspected fraudulent migrant families were unrelatedhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...were-unrelated
Oh and just as an aside, it is amusing to look back at the democrats before and after Trump became President regarding their stances on immigration reform.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWe DO have embassies in South America and in Central America - it's not actually necessary to physically turn up on the border to apply for asylum - but it IS necessary to show you fit the requirements.
I think that is fair. It means they can still apply for Asylum, and they don't have to take the 3000 mile dangerous trek to our border, and we don't have to separate families or hold anyone in cages.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe new regulation set in place by Trump says they have to apply for asylum in their own country first, and they cannot pass through a third country (e.g. Mexico) to apply for asylum in the US, they would have to apply there first. So if they want to come to the USA, they have to meet the requirements and apply in Guatemala. If they come here in a Caravan, they will have no chance at asylum in the USA.
I think that is fair. It means they can still apply for Asylum, and they don't have to take the 3000 mile dangerous trek to our border, and we don't have to separate families or hold anyone in cages.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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