Kids In Cages...

[Charles]

Here is what Pope Francis has to say:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1SY23S

[Mountain Man]

To bad the majority of children forced to cross thousands of miles of open desert on foot are not accompanied by their parents.

[Mountain Man]

Besides, children are regularly separated from their parents when the parents break the law.

[Charles]

Besides, children are regularly separated from their parents when the parents break the law.

So you justify the evil practise with some sort of appeal to common practise (a good old fallacy)?

[Teallaura]

So you justify the evil practise with some sort of appeal to common practise (a good old fallacy)?

The greater evil is to put children in with hardened criminals - it's not like people come into the country illegally already labelled 'Hi, I'm Bob and I'm a migrant Worker' or 'Hi, I'm Tom and I'm a serial rapist'.

[Charles]

The greater evil is to put children in with hardened criminals - it's not like people come into the country illegally already labelled 'Hi, I'm Bob and I'm a migrant Worker' or 'Hi, I'm Tom and I'm a serial rapist'.

So, when a child arrives with its' parents we are supposed to assume that the parents must be hardened criminals or what?

[Teallaura]

So, when a child arrives with its' parents we are supposed to assume that the parents must be hardened criminals or what?

The parents - IF they really are (wide spread examples of kids being kidnapped just to make it easier to get past law enforcement) are criminals and will be detained. That facility will likely contain actual hardened criminals - so children are separated until 1) the parents are shown to be actual parents and 2) the initial hearing is held. In reality, most of the kids have already been reunited with their parents - or sent home for that purpose - and only new detainees have this very temporary problem.

There is a very simple solution for parents - do not cross the border illegally while dragging your kids along.

[carpedm9587]

To bad the majority of children forced to cross thousands of miles of open desert on foot are not accompanied by their parents.

And that makes separating those who do a good thing...?

[seer]

And that makes separating those who do a good thing...?

No, send the whole family home on the spot-problem solved.

[carpedm9587]

The greater evil is to put children in with hardened criminals - it's not like people come into the country illegally already labelled 'Hi, I'm Bob and I'm a migrant Worker' or 'Hi, I'm Tom and I'm a serial rapist'.

There is much data I would like to see before I would swallow this argument.

1) What number of children are arriving at the border in the company of someone who claims parentage?
2) What number of these lack any resources to prove parentage?
3) For those who lack that ability, a simple DNA test will make the case. Why can we not house them in a supervised setting with those claiming to be parents until that test can be completed (2-3 days), avoiding the need to separate children from bonafide parents and also avoiding children being with "hardened criminals" without supervision to ensure the safety of the children?

[carpedm9587]

No, send the whole family home on the spot-problem solved.

Asylum remains something a country of good conscience will consider. I am surprised a Christian would make such a sweeping statement. Perhaps the parable of the Good Samaritan should be reviewed?

[Teallaura]

There is much data I would like to see before I would swallow this argument.

1) What number of children are arriving at the border in the company of someone who claims parentage?
2) What number of these lack any resources to prove parentage?
3) For those who lack that ability, a simple DNA test will make the case. Why can we not house them in a supervised setting with those claiming to be parents until that test can be completed (2-3 days), avoiding the need to separate children from bonafide parents and also avoiding children being with "hardened criminals" without supervision to ensure the safety of the children?

Then go look it up. You're being deliberately obtuse and I'm not feeling generous enough to do the work for you. Either you have never seen a news report - or you're deliberately faking this.

[Teallaura]

Asylum remains something a country of good conscience will consider. I am surprised a Christian would make such a sweeping statement. Perhaps the parable of the Good Samaritan should be reviewed?

There is no such thing as economic asylum - and condemning tens of thousands more plus their descendants to the same economic forces these folks are fleeing is NOT Christian. The solution to endemic poverty isn't to let a few people leave while others are condemned to stay because it's the most productive, most problematic (for the governments) that will leave, giving an escape valve to the political forces that would otherwise force change.

[seer]

Asylum remains something a country of good conscience will consider. I am surprised a Christian would make such a sweeping statement. Perhaps the parable of the Good Samaritan should be reviewed?

First Carp, from everything I have read the majority of those in this recent influx would not qualify for asylum, but merely came here for work. Second, we could let them apply then send them back. That should take only a day or so. If they qualify, bring them back. Everything you leftists are suggesting is only making the problem worse.

[Teallaura]

First Carp, from everything I have read the majority of those in this recent influx would not qualify for asylum, but merely came here for work. Second, we could let them apply then send them back. That should take only a day or so. If they qualify, bring them back. Everything you leftists are suggesting is only making the problem worse.

We DO have embassies in South America and in Central America - it's not actually necessary to physically turn up on the border to apply for asylum - but it IS necessary to show you fit the requirements.