Synagogue Shooting in Poway

[Mountain Man]

Right - yet CNN is holding Trump accountable for his comments on Charlottesville - so clearly their 'debunking' is not related to what I'm posting.

You're off in your own little weeds MM in that you can't even read my posts and understand the points made. Maybe you should try reading what I actually say instead of running it through your 'He's a trump hater so he has nothing worthwhile to say' bias filter first.

Honestly, you are so screwed up in the head right now you can't comprehend even one point I make. It's like talking to someone high on some hallucinogenic drug. Is the sky green and purple today?

Jim

You can always tell the moment when someone's brain goes *POP*.

[KingsGambit]

I'm happy for you that you are, so far, not under the burden of paying for abortions with your tax dollars. I do wonder what will happen when that day comes, however. And I am not so naive as to think that it won't.

Again, as I said, I believe the Bible requires us to pay our taxes regardless of circumstance, so I would simply have to pay them.

[Bill the Cat]

Anyone that publicly lends support the the neo-Nazi or white supremacist agenda and ideology is giving people like this shooter motivation and in their minds permission to commit the act that he committed. And unfortunately, Donald Trump has doubled down on support for some of the participants in what happened in Charlottesville. And every time he does that, he is giving support to the neo-Nazi, white-supremacist ideology, and in doing so helping to motivate people like this shooter.

Jim

Bull crap, Jim. Just plain bull crap.

[Bill the Cat]

I can always count on you to miss (ignore) the details. If you will reread my post you will notice that i did not accuse trump of necessarily supporting neo bazis or white supremicists. I was speaking of the effect of insisting there were 'good people' there or insisting the event itself was about general lee vs its actual purpose, which was a bald, in your face, declaration of WS ideologies.

By continuing to ignore the truth and support the back story, he encourages WS an neo-nazis. And he is doing that on purpose perhaps because he's too stupid to understand the consequences of his actions, or he just wants to stick it to the media that has called him out on it and just doesn't care about the consequence, or its even possible he secretly supports at least some of their thoughts.

No matter why he does it, it is irresponsible and it encourages them, which was the point of my post.

Jim

Then you're just as much an ignorant media tourist as Tassman. I actually KNOW someone who went to the rally for the EXPRESS purpose of opposing the removal of the Lee statue, and THAT'S IT. She isn't a white supremacist and does not support the idiots who are. "But I read"...

[Bill the Cat]

Trump has yet to firmly and repeatedly stand against what happened in Charlottesville,

Yes he has. Your Trump OCD just refuses to budge.

he just keeps trying to excuse it by saying their might have been people there to support something semi-legit.

Um, because there actually were. And the side handed "semi-" shows you have no interest in objectively knowing what actually happened.

So lets assume some minority of the people there watching the neo-Nazis and White supremicisst burn torches and chant anti-semitic hate speech

They weren't. They had packed up for the night and retired to their hotel.

had some semblance of a southern cultural preservation motive.

Another ignorant side-handed slap made out of nothing more than your hatred.

What the heck are they doing standing on the sidelines watching all that go down?

They left after dusk. The idiots with the torches were not among their ranks.

Who in his right mind can participate in any event where large crowds of people are behaving in that way that does not also have some draw, some internal acceptance of it?

#Occupy
#BLM
#Women'sMarch

And are you along with MM also incapable of understanding that not taking a clear stand against those events and that focusing on some nebulous 'good' reason some small percentage of the people might have been there feeds into the neo-Nazi and white supremacists rhetoric, and that as President he should not be feeding that particular demon?

Then you should have little difficulty showing where any of these shooters praise Trump and his "rhetoric". I'll wait...

[rogue06]

Trump has yet to firmly and repeatedly stand against what happened in Charlottesville, he just keeps trying to excuse it by saying their might have been people there to support something semi-legit. So lets assume some minority of the people there watching the neo-Nazis and White supremicisst burn torches and chant anti-semitic hate speech had some semblance of a southern cultural preservation motive. What the heck are they doing standing on the sidelines watching all that go down? Who in his right mind can participate in any event where large crowds of people are behaving in that way that does not also have some draw, some internal acceptance of it?

And are you along with MM also incapable of understanding that not taking a clear stand against those events and that focusing on some nebulous 'good' reason some small percentage of the people might have been there feeds into the neo-Nazi and white supremacists rhetoric, and that as President he should not be feeding that particular demon?



Jim

But you can go on and pretend that he didn't repeatedly denounce the violent neo-Nazis and that he was including them with the the good people on both sides. You keep showing that you don't appear to be looking for the truth here. That you are open to looking at the whole story. That Trump has repeatedly condemned the neo-Nazis and explicitly didn't include them when he said there were good people on both sides. That he never tried to excuse their actions. TDS does that

[rogue06]

Interesting that the MSM is determinedly searching for even the most tenuous link between the shooter and Trump (who the shooter made it clear he despises Trump) while studiously ignoring the anti-Semitic rhetoric coming from some of the newly elected members of Congress^[1] or comics full of anti-Semitic tropes being published in the so-called "paper of record," the New York Times.





1. who are beyond criticism (at least according to the MSM) because of their race, sex and religion. Those who dare disagree with them are quickly branded as racists, sexists and having Islamophobia (or should we start calling it "Somepeopleophobia"?)

[Cow Poke]

And the fact that, early on, there was a report that there was a gun hidden in the Synagogue for just this purpose, and it was utilized.... Did I make that up?

[oxmixmudd]

Then you're just as much an ignorant media tourist as Tassman. I actually KNOW someone who went to the rally for the EXPRESS purpose of opposing the removal of the Lee statue, and THAT'S IT. She isn't a white supremacist and does not support the idiots who are. "But I read"...

When they started chanting racial epithets and burning torches, did she realize she had no buisiness being there?

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

But you can go on and pretend that he didn't repeatedly denounce the violent neo-Nazis and that he was including them with the the good people on both sides. You keep showing that you don't appear to be looking for the truth here. That you are open to looking at the whole story. That Trump has repeatedly condemned the neo-Nazis and explicitly didn't include them when he said there were good people on both sides. That he never tried to excuse their actions. TDS does that

Sorry, given the primary purpose of the rally was to express neo-nazi and white supremicist views, there is no way that anyone participating,whatever the reason, will not be implicated. And trumps support for them gives the impression to the neo nazis and white sups that he is their guy, which is what he is counting on. -their votes.

Jim

[rogue06]

Sorry, given the primary purpose of the rally was to express neo-nazi and white supremicist views, there is no way that anyone participating,whatever the reason, will not ve implicared. And trumps support for them gives tge impression the the hneo nazis and white sups that he is their guy, which is what he is counting on. -their votes.

Jim

You are just putting your own spin on it. The primary purpose was to voice opposition to the removal of the statue. They were the folks who applied for the permit. The neo-Nazis and the leftist counter-protesters were interlopers.

[rogue06]

Agreed, but by now we should realize given the degree that TDS has gripped so many folks it is all but inevitable. Sort of like predicting that the sun will "rise" in the east tomorrow morning.

For instance, ABC News political analyst Matthew Dowd was on This Week earlier today blaming Trump for the shooting -- claiming his rhetoric gave the shooter "permission."

And now over on NBC's The ViewMorning Joe^[1]

He and his guest former FBI agent and MSNBC contributor Clint Watts tsk-tsked about how Trump will also be responsible for any violence against journalists if it happens. Of course they grimly ignore the violence regularly perpetrated by illegal aliens (one of the left's newest protected groups) and all of the actual violence that left-wing rhetoric has spurred in their sanctimoniousness.







1. He might have a point there in that anyone who believes what he says is not "the sharpest bulb in the socket"

[rogue06]

When they started chanting racial epithets and burning torches, did she realize she had no buisiness being there?

Jim

That is no different than wondering if Heather Heyer realized she had no business being there when these folks started showing up on her side

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AFAICT these are pix of antifa protesters in Charlottesville

[Bill the Cat]

When they started chanting racial epithets and burning torches, did she realize she had no buisiness being there?

Jim

Did you not read my subsequent post? She, along with the other Virginia Flaggers, had retired to their hotel before any torch was lit...

[oxmixmudd]

Did you not read my subsequent post? She, along with the other Virginia Flaggers, had retired to their hotel before any torch was lit...

To be honest btc, i have never understood wanting to glorify or honor those that fought for the right to hold people as slaves. So I really have little sympathy for the whole deal start to finish. And i have met very, very few people that carry their southern heritage with that sort of pride that were not also very much white and very much racist.

Jim