House Democrats Don't Know What to Make of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Cow Poke]

Does Mrs. CP know about this infatuation of yours?

She does. It's part of my "keep expectations low" campaign.

[One Bad Pig]

Brandon Morse has made an insightful observation wrt AOC:

Source: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Not The Smartest, And Democrats Need To Stop Trying To Squelch People Calling It Out

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On Tweb we have someone who insists that if we just change what she said here and there to something else entirely then she could have a valid point.

...and then there's John Kerry, who it turns out didn't release his college transcripts prior to the election because his grades were worse than W's, and Joe "Clown Shoes" Biden.

[Psychic Missile]

Yet, many don't. Many would rather sit at home and collect public assistance.

What does that have to do with the existence of bad jobs?

It was a question - which you dodged.

You assumed my answer in the question based off of nothing I've said. Also a bad question regardless, since "a job that's not ideal" is nebulous.

How many employers do this? Who does this? Name names.

Amazon, for one.

This is like the whole "appraisal" process of a home --- you can say "it appraises for half a million", but in reality, it's only worth what somebody is actually willing to pay for it.

Good companies know exactly how much value an employee creates. The problem is how much of that value goes back to the employee and how much goes to the employer.

It's called real world experience.

You are making assumptions about people who have never met. Real world experience doesn't give you psychic powers.

[Psychic Missile]

because she said a second stupid thing doesn't negate the first stupid thing, PM.

I get that you don't want to listen to anything she says in good faith. It doesn't change that fact that my interpretation is at least valid, in which case arguing against it is pointless.

I thought we were talking about "bad jobs" not "poor people"

I WAS a poor person, PM. I came from a family that couldn't even afford to send me to trade school much less college. I had to pay for everything myself by working "bad jobs" -- infinitely better than not having any job at all.

That is what you are not getting. The fact that there are enough "bad jobs" out there that people can get two of them or work 80 hours a week is much better than there being NO jobs out there, like there was a few years ago.

Bad jobs are primarily worked by poor people, as comparatively low pay is one of the most common aspects of a bad job.

Not being able to pay rent, not being able to afford health insurance, not knowing if your employment might end tomorrow regardless of what you do, doing needlessly dangerous work or working in a hostile environment, your every day being just working and sleeping, and never being able to progress beyond your bad job are not "being unsatisfied with taking a menial, grunt job" or "doing a boring drudgery type job". Your ignorance of these issues gives me no reason to believe that you were ever poor or worked anything close to a bad job. Instead, I would expect the same sentiment from a multi-millionaire's trust fund baby.

I have not once argued that no job is better than a bad job, and it is bizarre that both you and Cow Pole assume that I have. Maybe you both have the same type of insanity.

Also PM who said these were "bad jobs?" That seems to be something you just decided to sneak into the debate on your own. She just said they had two jobs or worked 80 hours.

Her point seemed to be that people had to have 2 jobs or work more hours to pay their bills. Which might be true. Many families have both parents working for instance. But that doesn't equate to them being "bad jobs" or "greedy employers" and it certainly has NOTHING to do with the unemployment rate being lower as she claimed. That seems to be a non-sequitur.

She's a self-described democratic socialist, Sparko.

[Psychic Missile]

It's an ignorant statement because, first of all, people working long hours doesn't affect the unemployment rate. At all. Not even a little.

And secondly, the data shows that it's the high wage earners who are most likely to work long hours while people in low paying jobs tend to work the customary 40-hours a week or less.

I'm not sure why you're trying to defend this nuttery.

I am saying that she didn't mean that working long hours affects the unemployment rate, she meant that people working long hours proves that a low unemployment rate isn't necessarily wholly good news.

What data?

[rogue06]

...and then there's John Kerry, who it turns out didn't release his college transcripts prior to the election because his grades were worse than W's, and Joe "Clown Shoes" Biden.

I knew someone who served as an aide to Senator "Kit" Bond who spoke very disparagingly of Kerry's intelligence, saying in effect that during committee meetings Kerry was like that one slow kid in the class that had extreme difficulties comprehending what was being discussed and needed everything explained to him over and over. The problem was that Kerry was the chairman (or ranking minority leader) of the committee.

[Mountain Man]

I knew someone who served as an aide to Senator "Kit" Bond who spoke very disparagingly of Kerry's intelligence, saying in effect that during committee meetings Kerry was like that one slow kid in the class that had extreme difficulties comprehending what was being discussed and needed everything explained to him over and over. The problem was that Kerry was the chairman (or ranking minority leader) of the committee.

That's not necessarily a sign of low intelligence. Author Douglas Adams who was highly regarded for his intelligence once said that school teachers couldn't figure out if he was very bright or very stupid because he needed to have things explained in great detail before he understood them. It's the difference between being a mechanical thinker (that is, one can derive the whole from the parts) or an abstract thinker (one understands the parts only in relation to the whole). I'm the latter. I need the big picture first, and then I can break it down to see the details.

[Cow Poke]

I get that you don't want to listen to anything she says in good faith.

Saying stupid things "in good faith" doesn't make them less stupid.

[Mountain Man]

Saying stupid things "in good faith" doesn't make them less stupid.

What she says: "Unemployment is low because people are working longer hours."

What liberals insist she meant: "Things are, like, really bad, okay?"

[Sparko]

I get that you don't want to listen to anything she says in good faith. It doesn't change that fact that my interpretation is at least valid, in which case arguing against it is pointless.




Bad jobs are primarily worked by poor people, as comparatively low pay is one of the most common aspects of a bad job.

Not being able to pay rent, not being able to afford health insurance, not knowing if your employment might end tomorrow regardless of what you do, doing needlessly dangerous work or working in a hostile environment, your every day being just working and sleeping, and never being able to progress beyond your bad job are not "being unsatisfied with taking a menial, grunt job" or "doing a boring drudgery type job". Your ignorance of these issues gives me no reason to believe that you were ever poor or worked anything close to a bad job. Instead, I would expect the same sentiment from a multi-millionaire's trust fund baby.

I have not once argued that no job is better than a bad job, and it is bizarre that both you and Cow Pole assume that I have. Maybe you both have the same type of insanity.



She's a self-described democratic socialist, Sparko.

I worked at KFC to put myself through trade school, then at Burger King, and also had to live in a converted bus at a KOA campground with a friend and we worked maintenance at the campground to pay for our slot. I was grateful for each and every job because it gave me the money to eventually finish school and get a better job.

You seem to think Jobs are like some commodity or product that employers create and sell the bad ones to poor people and keep the good ones for rich people. That's not how jobs work, PM. A company starts up and need workers. some of the jobs will be low end and drudgery. Or physically hard. But they are needed to create the product the company sells. So they advertise for people to work them. People then choose to work there and do the job. If they don't like it, they go somewhere else.

And people have different skills and enjoy different things. Some people might like a mindless factory job where they can just do the same thing over and over all day. Others might hate it. What is a bad job for one person could be a good job for someone else. When I was working outside at the KOA campground, I would have loved a nice air-conditioned job at walmart.

[JimL]

That's not necessarily a sign of low intelligence. Author Douglas Adams who was highly regarded for his intelligence once said that school teachers couldn't figure out if he was very bright or very stupid because he needed to have things explained in great detail before he understood them. It's the difference between being a mechanical thinker (that is, one can derive the whole from the parts) or an abstract thinker (one understands the parts only in relation to the whole). I'm the latter. I need the big picture first, and then I can break it down to see the details.

So you see the guilt first, and then you break it down to see the details. That explains a lot!

[Mountain Man]

So you see the guilt first, and then you break it down to see the details. That explains a lot!

Somebody replaced Jimmy's computer monitor with a mirror again.

[Starlight]

Tweet by AOC today made me laugh (at Republicans):

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Scott Walker is such a moron. Him standing beside a Venn Diagram that is completely not one sums up his IQ well. Reminds me of when Paul Ryan did a similar thing with a poster about insurance that showed he had no clue how insurance works. Republicans make moronicness an art form.

[Terraceth]

I'm confused. How is it inaccurate to call it a Venn diagram?

[Cow Poke]

So you see the guilt first, and then you break it down to see the details. That explains a lot!

Jim, is there anything you do in real life that is actually beneficial to other people? Anything at all?