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So someone in your family doesn't like something you did or said - reports it and the first thing they try and do is confiscate your firearm? Why not send a mental health professional first? Or just have the cops talk to him?
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Last edited by seer; 11-11-2018, 06:33 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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On the whole, I tend to agree with the sheriff. Your characterization of why he was reported notwithstanding. Did you consider that he was reported for all the right reasons and that is why this went bad? Would you prefer they ignored the report and we learn about it after the man snaps?Originally posted by seer View Post
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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No, I don't agree with taking a basic right away with out due process. Do you? Or at least a mental health intervention first. Never mind the fact that these records are sealed, so we have no way of knowing if this was a frivolous charge or not, along with the fact that other family members and neighbors did not think him a threat at all...Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostLast edited by seer; 11-11-2018, 09:04 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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Not sure. A man who is mentally unstable and with a gun is a ticking time bomb. If he's mentally sound, he should get the gun back. If not and he can guess who reported him, that person can end up dead. I'd say there need to be safeguards against abuse, but that the safety of the general population takes precident if there is reason to believe an individual is an imminent threat.Originally posted by seer View Post
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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The mental health experts cleared a guy that shot up a bar. Those are the ones you trust to make these decisions? Interesting...Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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Not acting on warnings of instability has been a key component of several of the mass shootings the last few years. I can't imagine why anyone would be against trying to do something to change that fact.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
But here we are.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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The assumption you are making is that there was no substance to the accusation. In this case, the fact he went for his gun and got himself killed in the process would be evidence to the contrary.
And I do agree there is a conflict here between rights guaranteed in the constitution, due process, and public safety. But I would also note an accusation of a serious crime is enough to get a person arrested and detained for questioning. The frequency and severity of mass shootings is rising. It is simply irresponsible not to act if there is credible evidence a person owning a gun is mentaly unstable. Not in this day and age.
It is also illegal to make false or spurious accusations. So there are ways to make it very uncomfortable for a person to seek vengeance through such a "red flag" law.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 11-12-2018, 07:17 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostLast edited by lilpixieofterror; 11-12-2018, 08:16 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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How about if the cops just show up and talk to him, question him about what was said, instead of going for confiscation out of the box?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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As far as I know only one person made the complaint, they acted on a single accusation. Not a series of accusation. It literally sounds like a he said she said. They wake him up at 5:17 am, and tell him they are about to take all his firearms. Then how does one get them back? Do you have to prove that you are not a threat? How does that work? Guilty until proven innocent...Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Easy to say when you're not the one living with the nut case. If you are going to have mental health intervention you'd better take the guns away first, don't you think?Originally posted by seer View PostComment
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US mass shootings with 10 or more fatalities, by decade:Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
1940s: 1
1950s: 0
1960s: 1
1970s: 1
1980s: 5
1990s: 4
2000s: 5
2010s: 12
There have been as many mass shootings this year as there were in previous decades.
Where did you get your stats from?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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First of all, the other family members did not think he was a threat - at all. Second, they could have simply went to talk to him, maybe a couple of cops with a mental health person. They didn't, they went after his guns from the get go, all based on what ONE person said. No due process - just like the Soviet Union...Originally posted by JimL View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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