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Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-12-2018, 11:40 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMental health professionals are surprisingly easy to fool if you're clever and know what they want to hear. The popular notion that psychiatrists are effectively omniscient and can know what anybody is really thinking simply by talking to them and observing their behavior is pure television fantasy."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMental health professionals are surprisingly easy to fool if you're clever and know what they want to hear. The popular notion that psychiatrists are effectively omniscient and can know what anybody is really thinking simply by talking to them and observing their behavior is pure television fantasy.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostInteresting definition of "mass shooting". Why "10 or more fatalities"? Is it because that's the threshold that gives you the results you want?
If you think a different threshold would lead to a different result - which I doubt, because I've also looked at many other sources - feel free to provide your own stats.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally? How does that change the fact that this took place on the word of one person?
Based on my understanding of how these laws work, if someone is concerned, they petition a judge (or report it to police, who then contact a judge about it), and if the judge considers there to be enough of a possible danger based on the evidence presented, the order is given for confiscation and then a more full hearing is held soon afterwards to re-evaluate the situation. Apparently, a judge did think there was. This fact is never mentioned in the Conservative Daily article and instead presents the situation as one person telling the police and the police saying "welp, the donut shop is closed right now anyway, might as well do something."
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Less, comparable or not much greater.
Where did you get the stats that show "according to the stats mass shootings are really not more common now than they have been in the past decades"?
Quit dodging.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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I don't believe this man should have been shot. But every single case of a person I've defended in these cases, weren't holding a gun and refusing to give it up. Castillo, as a counter-example, was trying to cooperate with the police officer and let him know there was a gun in the glove compartment. This was a guy who didn't want to let go of his gun.
Still the shooting is terrible.
As for due process. As far as I know a judge has to weigh the evidence and allow this happen. That's what I seem to find having done a little bit of research.
Wasn't that done?Last edited by Leonhard; 11-12-2018, 12:00 PM.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostLess, comparable or not much greater.
Where did you get the stats that show "according to the stats mass shootings are really not more common now than they have been in the past decades"?
Quit dodging."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Terraceth View Post... or so claims the extremely biased article from Conservative Daily. Ironically, the claim that it took place entirely on the word of one person... is given based on the word of one person, who didn't even actually say that (all they did was say who the reporter was, not that there may not have been additional information given to the judge).
Based on my understanding of how these laws work, if someone is concerned, they petition a judge (or report it to police, who then contact a judge about it), and if the judge considers there to be enough of a possible danger based on the evidence presented, the order is given for confiscation and then a more full hearing is held soon afterwards to re-evaluate the situation. Apparently, a judge did think there was. This fact is never mentioned in the Conservative Daily article and instead presents the situation as one person telling the police and the police saying "welp, the donut shop is closed right now anyway, might as well do something."Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAs far as I know a judge has to weigh the evidence and allow this happen. That's what I seem to find having done a little bit of research.
Wasn't that done?
The only "evidence" was a complaint from one person! She was a family member, but other family members said he wasn't a threat at all. He did have a drinking problem, so why not try rehab first instead of taking the guns away from a guy who is half drunk?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThe only "evidence" was a complaint from one person! She was a family member, but other family members said he wasn't a threat at all. He did have a drinking problem, so why not try rehab first instead of taking the guns away from a guy who is half drunk?
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostEasy to say when you're not the one living with the nut case. If you are going to have mental health intervention you'd better take the guns away first, don't you think?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Terraceth, I gave two links. The Baltimore Sun made the same point, it was one person who made the claim. How is that evidence? So on hearsay you have no problem with circumventing due process?
Okay, there are obviously differences between the two, but I found that amusing. But the more important part is that the niece's statement is simply that the aunt was the one who reported it. She didn't say that was the only evidence available to the judge (there's no way the niece could know that) or that no one else backed up the aunt's claim in front of the judge (there's no way the niece could know that).
So the repeated claim that it all came from "just one person" (1) comes from just one person (the niece), and (2) isn't what that person (the niece) actually said.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo, it's because that's the threshold used in the link I gave.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostDid he threaten to kill her? I can't imagine anything else that could have caused this. Though if he threatened her with murder, even if he was drunk, I believe he should face some sort of punishment.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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