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[oxmixmudd]

No he is not right. Do you really think Trump being nice to Kim or saying nice things about him really means he wants to be a dictator like Kim? Trump is a narcissist and the way that works is if someone says something against them, they are enemy number 1. Thus when Kim was bragging about hitting the USA with a missile, he was mocked and called "rocket man" - when Kim agreed to sit down with Trump and promised to stop his missiles and talked to SK, then he was on Trump's "side" and he got praised for it. And Trump knows now to use that to get what he wants. Be nice to get what you want. It is indeed a "game" to him, but it doesn't mean Trump wants to be a dictator. That's just asinine. Trump will do the same thing with Chuck Shumer or Nancy Pelosi as we have seen. Doesn't mean he wants to be a democrat again.

But to you and other liberals, you complain both ways - when he denigrates the dictator he is endangering us by provoking a madman. When he is nice, he wants to be a dictator like them. No win situation.

you think I'm a liberal

It depends on ones perspective I guess. To people in the KKK, EVERYBODY is a liberal!

No Sparko, I'm pretty sure I'm on the moderate side of conservative on most issues.

Jim

[Sparko]

judging from your obvious use of whataboutism it seems you know you have a very bad case...

You see, in diplomacy you don't have to forget who you are and what your own values are. Calling a man who runs concentration camps a great personality is not diplomacy but lack of integrity and lack of moral guidance. Your idea that it might help in other cases is convenient but pure speculation. Perhaps you should consider the situation of the people in the camps? They certainly need help but got the opposite from the american president.

And don't waste your time: I am not going to call it ok if you can point to obama, hillary or anyone else doing the same or doing something along those lines.

rofl!!!!

[Sparko]

you think I'm a liberal

It depends on ones perspective I guess. To people in the KKK, EVERYBODY is a liberal!

No Sparko, I'm pretty sure I'm on the moderate side of conservative on most issues.

Jim

Wow so now I am in the KKK?

No Jim, you are far from conservative.

On the political compass test. I came in almost in the center, just a hair bit to the right.

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[rogue06]

No he is not right. Do you really think Trump being nice to Kim or saying nice things about him really means he wants to be a dictator like Kim?

Unfortunately that is just the sort of irrational thinking that has taken hold.

[oxmixmudd]

Wow so now I am in the KKK?

No Jim, you are far from conservative.

On the political compass test. I came in almost in the center, just a hair bit to the right.

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Nope, never said you were with the KKK, BUT I did predict that is how you would respond. Which goes to how you approach conversation with me.

Please list areas where you think I am 'not converative'. I'd like to get a look at what conservative means to you.

Who knows, you may convince me I've mislabeled myself.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Unfortunately that is just the sort of irrational thinking that has taken hold.

Explain what is irrational about it please.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

rofl!!!!

why? He's dead on.

Is it possible for you to consider being in a concentration camp in NK because of something you said about Kim Jong Un. And the guard comes in, kicks you around a bit, and then he says this:

Even The American President despises you. You who have made yourself an enemy of our people. Even the American President recognizes how great our leader is!

He then pulls up recording of Trumps comments.

Then he spits on you. And tells you are nothing, disgusting. An enemy of the entire world. See. There is the proof.

Then he exits.


Can you imagine? Can you think about how that played out over and over to the people that have suffered untold horrors in NK opposing Kim Jong Un.


And YOU are here rofl.



Jim

[NorrinRadd]

You are missing my point: Nothing justifies calling this man a great personality. That is just wrong in moral terms. And calling him Rocket Man is childish and stupid. But feel free to try to find your way out of the fact that Trump calls a man who runs concentration camps a great personality. I have no doubt what I think.

He did not "call [him] a great personality." He said he HAS a great personality. The two are not the same.

Kim IS a terrible personality; he is a notable individual, but heinously evil.

He may well HAVE a great personality; he may be charming and engaging.

[Charles]

He did not "call [him] a great personality." He said he HAS a great personality. The two are not the same.

Kim IS a terrible personality; he is a notable individual, but heinously evil.

He may well HAVE a great personality; he may be charming and engaging.

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/6/12/...a-great-fervor

Second and far more important here is what he said about the man who runs concentration camps, tortures and starves people to death:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...at-personality

To say this while people are tortured and starving shows a complete lack of moral guidance and it shows a complete lack of decency.

In order to put things into perspective:

"I believe that the conditions in the [North] Korean prison camps are as terrible, or even worse, than those I saw and experienced in my youth in these Nazi camps and in my long professional career in the human rights field," said Buergenthal, who was in Auschwitz and Sachsenhausen as a child, as well as the ghetto of Kielce, Poland. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c76_story.html

So, once again, I have no doubt where I should stand in this discussion, and I wonder why some twebbers are doing their best to try to justify Trump on this.

[firstfloor]

UN preliminary report is worth a read.

[firstfloor]

Bezos v Trump, Pecker, MBS coalition?!?!

[JimL]

Wow so now I am in the KKK?

No Jim, you are far from conservative.

On the political compass test. I came in almost in the center, just a hair bit to the right.

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[firstfloor]

Deadline passes. Trump violates Magnitsky Act.

[rogue06]

On the political compass test. I came in almost in the center, just a hair bit to the right.

Thank you for providing even more evidence that starlight's favorite test is absolutely worthless (according to it I'm significantly further to the left than you are)

[Tassman]

Thank you for providing even more evidence that starlight's favorite test is absolutely worthless (according to it I'm significantly further to the left than you are)

I guess it depends on how honestly you answered the questions.