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[Charles]

So if Trump is denigrating Kim and then complimenting him, that equates to "embracing despots" in your mind because you ignore his previous actions and just concentrate on the one that fits your confirmation bias?

You are missing my point: Nothing justifies calling this man a great personality. That is just wrong in moral terms. And calling him Rocket Man is childish and stupid. But feel free to try to find your way out of the fact that Trump calls a man who runs concentration camps a great personality. I have no doubt what I think.

[Sparko]

No, not a no win situation, what Trump embraces is despotism, such as is exhibited by his despotic buddies Putin and MBS, not necessarily the despots themselves. He can take or leave the despots themselves.

and around in circles we go.

[Sparko]

You are missing my point: Nothing justifies calling this man a great personality. That is just wrong in moral terms. And calling him Rocket Man is childish and stupid. But feel free to try to find your way out of the fact that Trump calls a man who runs concentration camps a great personality. I have no doubt what I think.

Trump was playing to his ego. Why is that hard to understand? As an egomaniac himself, I am sure Trump knows just how to handle other narcissists.

[oxmixmudd]

Trump was playing to his ego. Why is that hard to understand? As an egomaniac himself, I am sure Trump knows just how to handle other narcissists.

Charles is right. And your willingness to excuse Trump on the matter of calling Kim Jong Un a 'great personality' is not right. Leaders that actively support and run concentration camps or the like do not need or deserve to have their egos 'played to' on the world stage.

Jim

[Sparko]

Charles is right. And your willingness to excuse Trump on the matter of calling Kim Jong Un a 'great personality' is not right. Leaders that actively support and run concentration camps or the like do not need or deserve to have their egos 'played to' on the world stage.

Jim

No he is not right. Do you really think Trump being nice to Kim or saying nice things about him really means he wants to be a dictator like Kim? Trump is a narcissist and the way that works is if someone says something against them, they are enemy number 1. Thus when Kim was bragging about hitting the USA with a missile, he was mocked and called "rocket man" - when Kim agreed to sit down with Trump and promised to stop his missiles and talked to SK, then he was on Trump's "side" and he got praised for it. And Trump knows now to use that to get what he wants. Be nice to get what you want. It is indeed a "game" to him, but it doesn't mean Trump wants to be a dictator. That's just asinine. Trump will do the same thing with Chuck Shumer or Nancy Pelosi as we have seen. Doesn't mean he wants to be a democrat again.

But to you and other liberals, you complain both ways - when he denigrates the dictator he is endangering us by provoking a madman. When he is nice, he wants to be a dictator like them. No win situation.

[JimL]

No he is not right. Do you really think Trump being nice to Kim or saying nice things about him really means he wants to be a dictator like Kim? Trump is a narcissist and the way that works is if someone says something against them, they are enemy number 1. Thus when Kim was bragging about hitting the USA with a missile, he was mocked and called "rocket man" - when Kim agreed to sit down with Trump and promised to stop his missiles and talked to SK, then he was on Trump's "side" and he got praised for it. And Trump knows now to use that to get what he wants. Be nice to get what you want. It is indeed a "game" to him, but it doesn't mean Trump wants to be a dictator. That's just asinine. Trump will do the same thing with Chuck Shumer or Nancy Pelosi as we have seen. Doesn't mean he wants to be a democrat again.

But to you and other liberals, you complain both ways - when he denigrates the dictator he is endangering us by provoking a madman. When he is nice, he wants to be a dictator like them. No win situation.

No, we don't want it both ways, you just want to ignore Trumps, (your choice of a leader,) own despotic tendencies. He admires despots like Putin for being strong leaders, unlike Obama, as he put it. That despots like Putin both imprison and murder their opponents is a sign of strong leadership according to Trump. If you weren't so blinded by your tribal bias, and need to be right, you would recognize Trumps attempt to tear down, to denigrate the instituions of democracy.

[Charles]

No he is not right. Do you really think Trump being nice to Kim or saying nice things about him really means he wants to be a dictator like Kim? Trump is a narcissist and the way that works is if someone says something against them, they are enemy number 1. Thus when Kim was bragging about hitting the USA with a missile, he was mocked and called "rocket man" - when Kim agreed to sit down with Trump and promised to stop his missiles and talked to SK, then he was on Trump's "side" and he got praised for it. And Trump knows now to use that to get what he wants. Be nice to get what you want. It is indeed a "game" to him, but it doesn't mean Trump wants to be a dictator. That's just asinine. Trump will do the same thing with Chuck Shumer or Nancy Pelosi as we have seen. Doesn't mean he wants to be a democrat again.

But to you and other liberals, you complain both ways - when he denigrates the dictator he is endangering us by provoking a madman. When he is nice, he wants to be a dictator like them. No win situation.

I must have missed the part where you did not repeat yourself or go into mind reading in order to give a rational answer as to why it is in any way acceptable to call a man who runs concentration camps a great personality. Note the words: "great personality" used about a man who runs concentration camps.

[Charles]

Trump was playing to his ego. Why is that hard to understand? As an egomaniac himself, I am sure Trump knows just how to handle other narcissists.

And again... Where is the explanation that this somehow justifies calling a man who run concentration camps a great personality? He is playing to his ego, and thus it is ok? He is an egomaniac and thus it is ok? Or he is a narcissist who knows how to handle other narcissists and because of that it is ok to call a man who runs concentration camps a great personality?

[Sparko]

I must have missed the part where you did not repeat yourself or go into mind reading in order to give a rational answer as to why it is in any way acceptable to call a man who runs concentration camps a great personality. Note the words: "great personality" used about a man who runs concentration camps.

Go back and read my last two posts, Chuck.

[Charles]

Go back and read my last two posts, Chuck.

I did.

Go back and read my last two posts, Sparko.

Is it starting to prove a bit difficult to answer the very simple question: Why is it ok to call a man who runs concentration camps a great personality?

Very simple question yet rather difficult to give an answer to, right? Because of course you know it is certainly not ok and you should not try to excuse it.

[Sparko]

And again... Where is the explanation that this somehow justifies calling a man who run concentration camps a great personality? He is playing to his ego, and thus it is ok? He is an egomaniac and thus it is ok? Or he is a narcissist who knows how to handle other narcissists and because of that it is ok to call a man who runs concentration camps a great personality?

If it gets him to stop shooting missiles at other countries and reunite Korea, then yes, playing to his ego is a good diplomatic move on Trump's part. It's not like no other president or official has ever played nice with dictators before when negotiating treaties, like with Russia, or Cuba or Iran. Is it?

[Sparko]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ts-smile-face/

[Sparko]

I did.

Great then I don't have to repeat myself again.

[Cow Poke]

Great then I don't have to repeat myself again.

Wanna bet?

[Charles]

If it gets him to stop shooting missiles at other countries and reunite Korea, then yes, playing to his ego is a good diplomatic move on Trump's part. It's not like no other president or official has ever played nice with dictators before when negotiating treaties, like with Russia, or Cuba or Iran. Is it?

Judging from your obvious use of whataboutism it seems you know you have a very bad case...

You see, in diplomacy you don't have to forget who you are and what your own values are. Calling a man who runs concentration camps a great personality is not diplomacy but lack of integrity and lack of moral guidance. Your idea that it might help in other cases is convenient but pure speculation. Perhaps you should consider the situation of the people in the camps? They certainly need help but got the opposite from the American president.

And don't waste your time: I am not going to call it ok if you can point to Obama, Hillary or anyone else doing the same or doing something along those lines.