Time To Smear Kavanaugh's Good Name...

[Mountain Man]

Wow, that letter certainly puts a spotlight on all the trash talk here and elsewhere concerning Ford's fear of flying. A close friend that can validate her fear of flying (And if there is one close friend, there are others, not to mention her family, and I would imagine a check of purchases of certain medications might correlate with flying as well).

Why yes Martha, people with a real fear of flying fly anyway because it's just not practical to drive and the fear is not so completely overwhelming it is possible IF they take the medications necessary to get through it. So I guess all that PhD level (NOT!) 'reasoning' that 'she flies therefore she is not afraid of flying' pretty much goes out the window.

I wonder how many other 'absolutely debunked' elements of Ford's testimony/claims will turn out not to be so 'debunked'?

Given the 'debunking' is based on presumptive speculation in many cases, I would guess there will be more.


Jim

Not that it really matters any more (thank God), but here are the relevant facts about Ford's supposed fear of flying that were revealed during the hearing:

Source: Prosecutor�s Senate Report Outlines 9 Reasons Why Christine Blasey Ford Not Credible

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...senate-report/

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So whatever fear of flying she has, it's obviously not debilitating and did not present an obstacle getting to DC for the hearing. Let's put it this way: someone who has panic attacks and needs medication just to get on a plane would fly as little as possible and not "fairly frequently" as admitted by Ford.

[oxmixmudd]

Not to mention the provable lies that Ford told, such as when and why she added a second door to her house.

Finally, he claims that Ford has always had a fear of flying, but this little factoid is directly contradicted by Ford herself who admitted in her testimony that she happily flies all over the world for work and pleasure.

So, you're right, I do doubt his letter, and I think for good reason.

The testimony I've read does not discuss when the door was added. It discusses the order of the discussion in the counseling session, which took place in 2012.

She did not say she 'happily' flies all over the world. That is you sneering at her. She overcomes her fears, at least per this testimony, by taking drugs to calm her down. Not an uncommon thing. People that are afraid to fly fly anyway because they don't have several days, weeks, or months to make the trip otherwise.

And this is exactly the sort of nasty, uncharitable, and unjustified trash talk I've been talking about.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

And this is exactly the sort of nasty, uncharitable, and unjustified trash talk I've been talking about.

You see what you want to see.

[rogue06]

Wow, that letter certainly puts a spotlight on all the trash talk here and elsewhere concerning Ford's fear of flying. A close friend that can validate her fear of flying (And if there is one close friend, there are others, not to mention her family, and I would imagine a check of purchases of certain medications might correlate with flying as well).

Friends can claim all sorts of things but, as they say, actions speaks louder than words. Now, one can still not like to fly and still fly, but Ford claimed that she feared to fly so much that she couldn't come to D.C. because she was too afraid to fly^[1], and Ford's friend, Kate Devarney, told CNN that her fear of flying is directly related to her allegation of assault, and that an airplane is "the ultimate closed space where you cannot get away."

But in reality Ford had flown to D.C. just a month earlier and then flew there to testify in spite of saying earlier that she couldn't make it to D.C. on time to testify for a previously scheduled date because she would have to drive there all the way across country (the hearing was postponed as a result).

She had also recently flown to Hawaii and Tahiti.






1. My mother actually had severe aviophobia (she actually suffered from several phobias, most notably being terrified of snakes -- she could barely even look at pictures of them in a book). The one time she did fly she was so doped up on Valium that she quite literally walked into a wall, Even still she had such a death grip on the arm rests of the seats during the flight that she ended up pulling muscles in both her arms and had to keep them in slings for a couple days.

[rogue06]

The testimony I've read does not discuss when the door was added. It discusses the order of the discussion in the counseling session, which took place in 2012.

A bit about the door:

Also, from the hearing, she had said...


According to TheGatewayPundit, the door she describes had actually been installed at least by 2011 - prior to this "couples counseling" session where she was insisting that a second front door be installed.

Oops.

Source: Renovation Records Undercut Ford's Exit-Door Account

Source

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I'll bet that for the most part this will be studiously ignored by the MSM which was all aflutter that Kavanaugh wanted to push back when he learned of Deborah Ramirez's accusation when the New Yorker started questioning his friends and former classmates about it.

[Cow Poke]

Kavanaugh confirmed, quickly sworn in; major Trump victory

Let the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth (and rioting) begin!

[Mountain Man]

And with that, I will retire from this thread.

[Cow Poke]

Another really dumb liberal talking point was calling this a "job interview" so they could whine about Kavanaugh's conduct in the "job interview".

Actually, Kavanaugh had MANY job interviews with these very same Democrats who heard him privately and were cordial, in which he conducted himself, apparently, like a perfect gentleman.

It was only when the hearings turned into a lynching - not a job interview - that Kavanaugh lost his cool.

There will never be a situation in his job on the Supreme Court where he will be ambushed with the vitriol and hate in the course of his duties.

[oxmixmudd]

A bit about the door

That is exactly the text I've read over and over. She is talking about the discussions in the counseling session(s?) and how during that/those session(s?) the topic of why she needed two doors led to the discussion about Kavanaugh. There is nothing in her comments that imply the doors where installed contemporaneously with the counseling sessions.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

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[Cow Poke]

I think the tide actually began to turn when Michael Avanetti got involved, and brought Swetnick to the fray.

Even some of the liberals seem to think so.

Her incredibly unbelievable story seemed to increase the doubt about Ford's story.

Michael Avenatti Turns Radioactive As Liberals Blame Porn Lawyer For Kavanaugh Confirmation

Following Friday's announcement by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) that she would vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, the left flipped on one of its recent heroes; Michael Avenatti.

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In a fiery speech announcing her decision, Collins ripped unsupported claims by Avenatti's client, Julie Swetnick, that Kavanaugh facilitated a Cosby-esque "gang rape" operation while in high school.

Some of the allegations levied against Judge Kavanaugh illustrate why the presumption of innocence is so important. I am thinking in particular not of the allegations raised by Professor Ford, but of the allegation that, when he was a teenager, Judge Kavanaugh drugged multiple girls and used their weakened state to facilitate gang rape.

This outlandish allegation was put forth without any credible supporting evidence and simply parroted public statements of others. That such an allegation can find its way into the Supreme Court confirmation process is a stark reminder about why the presumption of innocence is so ingrained in our American consciousness. -Sen. Susan Collins

As a result of Collins citing Swetnick's claim, liberals began to pile onto Avenatti - blaming him for Kavanaugh's impending Saturday confirmation, while conservative pundits poked fun.

[Tassman]

Since you likely missed or steadfastly ignored it

https://theconversation.com/evangeli...ixon-era-97974

But, hey! You got what you wanted, why worry about how you got it.

[Cow Poke]

https://theconversation.com/evangeli...ixon-era-97974

But, hey! You got what you wanted, why worry about how you got it.

Let's see.... ya got an opinion piece, and a claim of a statistic with a statement that says "A year and a half into his presidency, they seem as dedicated to him as ever"....

(bolding and underlining mine) No data on that, just this guys opinion. Wow -- POWERFUL argument! A blogger thinks that Evangelicals SEEM as dedicated.....

[oxmixmudd]

Not that it really matters any more (thank God), but here are the relevant facts about Ford's supposed fear of flying that were revealed during the hearing:

Source: Prosecutor�s Senate Report Outlines 9 Reasons Why Christine Blasey Ford Not Credible

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...senate-report/

© Copyright Original Source

So whatever fear of flying she has, it's obviously not debilitating and did not present an obstacle getting to DC for the hearing. Let's put it this way: someone who has panic attacks and needs medication just to get on a plane would fly as little as possible and not "fairly frequently" as admitted by Ford.

You (and every one else towing this line of argumentation ) are applying a ridiculously harsh standard here. It's purpose is to squash her, not understand if she is telling the truth.

What little we know is that she is afraid enough of flying to have panic attacks and to require medication to do it. That is enough to cause anyone to push back against a flight to a place where they will be asked to do something they don't really want to do. In this case face a hostile public audience where her every word about an event she is and has been afraid would result in an intolerable amount of humiliation will be picked apart, mocked, and ridiculed.


Jim

[Tassman]

Let's see.... ya got an opinion piece, and a claim of a statistic with a statement that says "A year and a half into his presidency, they seem as dedicated to him as ever".....

There are many such links all saying much the same, as you well know. Yet you prevaricate over the demonstrable fact that if it were not for the Evangelicals Trump would likely not be in power. You lot put him there. https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/...idency-support