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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy point being that apartment doors, like cars, look alike if you are not paying attention.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy point being that apartment doors, like cars, look alike if you are not paying attention.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostApartment doors tend to look alike even if you ARE paying attention. Ya gotta look at the number to see any difference. Her problem wasn't so much in failing to note the number, but that the inside was decorated totally differently.
2. The lights were out in the apartment.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postit said she was in uniform coming off shift. So I don't think she would drink in uniform.
I definitely agree with you that she's still to blame.
Maybe she can throw some of the blame to the police department for making her work a 15 hour shift?
I think she should have left the gun at the office, and let this be a warning to gun owners. If you have a gun on you, you better be able to use it responsible.
She killed a man. Nothing she'll ever do for the rest of her life will make up for that.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI woke up in a Soho doorway
A policeman knew my name
He said "You can go sleep at home tonight
If you can get up and walk away"
Was never anywhere near that drunk ever again. At most I only do a glass of wine or a single beer. To this day I have trouble drinking mead, makes me nausous.
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When a local Texas police department calls in the Texas Rangers to handle the investigation of an officer-involved shooting, it's pretty much admitting "there's no way we can defend this".
That, coupled with the Chief's statement - "However, as we continued this investigation it became clear that we were dealing with what appears to be a much different and very unique situation." makes me think they're tossing this woman under the bus for good reason.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI'm trying to figure out how the scenario played out, and the only thing that makes sense to me is that she came home really drunk. At any rate entering someone else's apartment, accidentally is something I've never done in my life.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostSleep deprivation can be as bad as or worse than the effects of alcohol. So that is another possibility.
As I said this better be a warning to all gun owners. For good or bad you carry an easy means of killing a person with you, and that means that its on you use it responsibly.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhen a local Texas police department calls in the Texas Rangers to handle the investigation of an officer-involved shooting, it's pretty much admitting "there's no way we can defend this".
That, coupled with the Chief's statement - "However, as we continued this investigation it became clear that we were dealing with what appears to be a much different and very unique situation." makes me think they're tossing this woman under the bus for good reason.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI have a somewhat more dim view of human nature. I don't know if he she was drunk, I'm just saying I'm trying to picture how gone you'd have to be in the head to walk into another persons home, not realise it was someone else's (even if it was dim) and shoot someone in there. There is simply no excuse. At best we can say she had no malicious intent, and she didn't do it out of anger.
I definitely agree with you that she's still to blame.
I assume she's adult? If she said yes to it, then its her fault if she A) Had a gun on her while so tired of her mind she couldn't handle it responsibly. B) Took a shift so long if it would leave her in such a state of mind.
I think she should have left the gun at the office, and let this be a warning to gun owners. If you have a gun on you, you better be able to use it responsible.
She killed a man. Nothing she'll ever do for the rest of her life will make up for that.
Yes, it is still her fault. No she couldn't leave the gun at the office. That is not how it works. Police have to have their gun on them at all times when on duty (and most carry off duty too) - the whole thing on TV where detectives put their gun in a drawer when at their desk is completely fake. No officer or detective does that.
IF she was at her apartment and there was someone in her apartment, what she did would have been completely legal and the right thing to do. Her mistake was in not paying attention to her surroundings properly. She is responsible for that. Thus she is responsible for her actions.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhen a local Texas police department calls in the Texas Rangers to handle the investigation of an officer-involved shooting, it's pretty much admitting "there's no way we can defend this".
That, coupled with the Chief's statement - "However, as we continued this investigation it became clear that we were dealing with what appears to be a much different and very unique situation." makes me think they're tossing this woman under the bus for good reason.
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Yes, it is still her fault. No she couldn't leave the gun at the office. That is not how it works. Police have to have their gun on them at all times when on duty (and most carry off duty too) - the whole thing on TV where detectives put their gun in a drawer when at their desk is completely fake. No officer or detective does that.
That's not an easy mistakes. That's multiple bad decisions one after the other. If she was so tired she shouldn't have driven a car home, much less had a gun on her. If you're too out of your mind to drive, you shouldn't be using your gun. And I personally think driving while sleep deprived should be illegal.
IF she was at her apartment and there was someone in her apartment, what she did would have been completely legal and the right thing to do.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThen you shouldn't own a gun, or wear a gun. I don't think this gets her out of it either. If she was so drunk, or sleep deprived that she ran over a kid on her way home, that wouldn't be a sufficient excuse then. So it shouldn't be just because what happened involved a gun.
As I said this better be a warning to all gun owners. For good or bad you carry an easy means of killing a person with you, and that means that its on you use it responsibly.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postnobody is excusing her
It wasn't a robber in her own her own. She was trespassing on someone else's home, and killed them.
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