Administration lies

[Starlight]

Just. Wow.

This is almost as unburdened by facts as your claim that Stalin was really some sort of right winger

Reality. Try it sometime.

This just shows how much in a propaganda bubble the US conservatives are with the "Iran deal was a bad deal" BS rhetoric. You guys are completely ignorant of the situation in Iran, yet you tell yourselves over and over it was a bad deal and you believe your own garbage.

[Cow Poke]

This just shows how much in a propaganda bubble the US conservatives are with the "Iran deal was a bad deal" BS rhetoric. You guys are completely ignorant of the situation in Iran, yet you tell yourselves over and over it was a bad deal and you believe your own garbage.

Instead of just spewing forth vitriol, how bout details.

Ya know, I am utterly skeptical of these alleged facts. Care to share?

Citations, please. Actual evidence.

[lilpixieofterror]

This just shows how much in a propaganda bubble the US conservatives are with the "Iran deal was a bad deal" BS rhetoric. You guys are completely ignorant of the situation in Iran, yet you tell yourselves over and over it was a bad deal and you believe your own garbage.

[One Bad Pig]

It is a bit surprising that Starlight supports a regime which executes homosexuals, in accordance with sharia law.

[Cow Poke]

It is a bit surprising that Starlight supports a regime which executes homosexuals, in accordance with sharia law.

That's always puzzled me - how the left can elevate "the religion of peace" above Christianity when Islam doesn't have the best record on the treatment of women or homosexuality. It's like "we hate Christianity so much we're willing to ignore...."

[Sparko]

That's always puzzled me - how the left can elevate "the religion of peace" above Christianity when Islam doesn't have the best record on the treatment of women or homosexuality. It's like "we hate Christianity so much we're willing to ignore...."

I think that's it. It is PC to embrace minority religions, while denigrating the majority. No matter what that religion actually teaches or does.

[One Bad Pig]

I think that's it. It is PC to embrace minority religions, while denigrating the majority. No matter what that religion actually teaches or does.

Well, Mormons are fair game. I guess they're too close to Christianity.

[Cow Poke]

Well, Mormons are fair game. I guess they're too close to Christianity.

Yeah, I think the world sees Mormonism as yet another branch of Christianity, though (until recently) a little more rigid on homosexuality.

[Sparko]

Well, Mormons are fair game. I guess they're too close to Christianity.

Mormons have done a good PR job convincing Americans that they are not a cult but just another Christian denomination.

[Roy]

That's always puzzled me - how the left can elevate "the religion of peace" above Christianity when Islam doesn't have the best record on the treatment of women or homosexuality.

I suspect that's not true, not least because a large proportion of the left in the US are Christians themselves.

I suspect that any such elevation is based partly on right-wing misunderstanding and misinformation, partly on left-wing ignorance and wishful thinking, and partly on population disparity forcing US Muslims to be more tolerant than they might be otherwise.

[Starlight]

Not that I disagree with anything you said Roy, but I would also note that:

(1) Muslims who live in the US are more liberal as a whole than US Evangelicals (see various polls and surveys on social issues) and are in fact one of the more liberal demographics in the country (I've heard this is not the case in the UK, where your Muslim population leans quite conservative). Often the reason those US Muslims have moved to the US in the first place is to get away from conservative religion. So CP may whinge about "Islam doesn't have the best record on the treatment of women or homosexuality" while at the same time himself, as a US Evangelical, having a worse view on those social issues than US Muslims do on average.

(2) Muslims are a minority in the US who are subjected to prejudice, and we always need to treat minorities with kid gloves and not all gang up on them.

[Roy]

Not that I disagree with anything you said Roy, but I would also note that:

(1) Muslims who live in the US are more liberal as a whole than US Evangelicals (see various polls and surveys on social issues) and are in fact one of the more liberal demographics in the country (I've heard this is not the case in the UK, where your Muslim population leans quite conservative).

Is that because the Muslim's views are different, or because the rest of the countries' views are different? The US average is more conservative than the UK average. It could be a combination of both, and possibly also an effect of the minority wanting to remain different.

I do know that immigrants tend to be from the more adventurous, intelligent and hard-working subsections of societies, and so they won't necessarily be reflective of the societies they emigrated from, even in their religion.

...we always need to treat minorities with kid gloves and not all gang up on them.

This I do disagree with - I think minorities should be treated no differently, and that kid gloves should be used sparingly if at all.

[Cow Poke]

(2) Muslims are a minority in the US who are subjected to prejudice, and we always need to treat minorities with kid gloves and not all gang up on them.

Maybe this is why the left can't "gang up on" MS-13.

[One Bad Pig]

I suspect that's not true, not least because a large proportion of the left in the US are Christians themselves.

The (largely white) liberal elite have a tendency to feel guilty for white sins of the past; I suspect the Christians among them feel much the same way about Christianity.

I suspect that any such elevation is based partly on right-wing misunderstanding and misinformation, partly on left-wing ignorance and wishful thinking, and partly on population disparity forcing US Muslims to be more tolerant than they might be otherwise.

I believe a significant portion of Muslims in the US are members of the Nation of Islam, which is largely black (and hence largely left-wing).

[Cow Poke]

I suspect that's not true, not least because a large proportion of the left in the US are Christians themselves.

This must be why the DNC was so "pro-God" in their party platform in 2012!

Source: ABCNews

Moments after convention chairman Antonio Villaraigosa gaveled in day two of the Democratic Convention, the hall burst into chaos as Democrats voted to amend their party's platform to include the word "God" and name Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Villaraigosa called the vote three times. The first two voice votes, which require a two-thirds majority to pass, were tied between "ays" and "nos." On the third vote it was still hard to tell whether he "ays" were audibly louder than the "nays" in the half-full arena.

When Villaraigosa announced "the ays have it," loud boos erupted across the arena.

An Obama campaign official said President Obama personally requested that "God" be put back into the platform. "Why did they change that?" Obama said, according to the official, when he heard the word had been removed.

The changes came after Republicans spent the morning criticizing Democrats for removing Jerusalem and God from their platform, which was adopted during the start of the convention on Tuesday. The Republican platform mentions God 12 times.

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