Administration lies

[One Bad Pig]

Link for those who need to see which administration is involved before deciding whether this is a good or bad thing.

[Littlejoe]

Without looking at the link first, my first impression is...WHY did he/they do this? Was it to rescue massive amounts of people from starvation or some such equally imperative, drastic situation? I could see it for something like that...maybe...

But on the surface with just the facts given, it looks REALLY bad for the administration in question.

[Sparko]

It was appeasement, basically.

[Cow Poke]

Oh, for the days when news reporters actually reported NEWS! And actually investigated to discover it.

[Mountain Man]

Without looking at the link first, my first impression is...WHY did he/they do this? Was it to rescue massive amounts of people from starvation or some such equally imperative, drastic situation? I could see it for something like that...maybe...

But on the surface with just the facts given, it looks REALLY bad for the administration in question.

It was a ransom payment to a terrorist nation

[One Bad Pig]

It was a ransom payment to a terrorist nation

Oh, not at all. This is above and beyond the ransom payment.

[rogue06]

Oh, not at all. This is above and beyond the ransom payment.

This looks more like an outright bribe to a country that the Administration in question wanted to make a deal with (and didn't seem to care much for what sort of deal was made just as long as one was made).

[Starlight]

My view is:

1. I am utterly skeptical of the OP alleged facts. Some jerk writing an opinion piece in the link that's probably full of more manure than the local fertilizer plant doesn't count as evidence. Come back in a month if and when everyone is agreed those are actually facts and then we can have this discussion.

2. International diplomacy is complicated and usually operates on multiple levels simultaneously. Governments do sometimes deal in secrets. It's pretty common for parts of agreements to be secret.

3. Whatever the method, the outcomes of Obama's diplomacy with Iran have been incredibly good. Iran seems to be successfully transitioning from a terrorist-supporting anti-American regime towards a democratic, open, and Western-friendly country. It's not fully there yet, but it's on the path. The Iran Deal on the surface at least looks like one of the greatest diplomatic successes of the past couple of decades. If Obama hadn't already been unnecessarily awarded the Nobel Peace Prize by the international community for not being a complete loser like Bush, I would suggest Obama be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for the Iran deal.

[Tassman]

Oh, for the days when news reporters actually reported NEWS! And actually investigated to discover it.

This is still the case. Not all of them are like Fox.

[Cow Poke]

This is still the case. Not all of them are like Fox.

Ya know, I believe you actually believe that!

[rogue06]

Ya know, I believe you actually believe that!

He has to. Or else his worldview would come tumbling down.

[rogue06]

3. Whatever the method, the outcomes of Obama's diplomacy with Iran have been incredibly good. Iran seems to be successfully transitioning from a terrorist-supporting anti-American regime towards a democratic, open, and Western-friendly country. It's not fully there yet, but it's on the path. The Iran Deal on the surface at least looks like one of the greatest diplomatic successes of the past couple of decades. If Obama hadn't already been unnecessarily awarded the Nobel Peace Prize by the international community for not being a complete loser like Bush, I would suggest Obama be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for the Iran deal.

Just. Wow.

This is almost as unburdened by facts as your claim that Stalin was really some sort of right winger

Reality. Try it sometime.

[Cow Poke]

3. Whatever the method, the outcomes of Obama's diplomacy with Iran have been incredibly good. Iran seems to be successfully transitioning from a terrorist-supporting anti-American regime towards a democratic, open, and Western-friendly country.

Ya know, I am utterly skeptical of these alleged facts. Care to share?

[Sparko]

My view is:


3. Whatever the method, the outcomes of Obama's diplomacy with Iran have been incredibly good. Iran seems to be successfully transitioning from a terrorist-supporting anti-American regime towards a democratic, open, and Western-friendly country. It's not fully there yet, but it's on the path. The Iran Deal on the surface at least looks like one of the greatest diplomatic successes of the past couple of decades. If Obama hadn't already been unnecessarily awarded the Nobel Peace Prize by the international community for not being a complete loser like Bush, I would suggest Obama be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for the Iran deal.

How would you like to be the owner of this incredible bridge I own in Brooklyn?

[rogue06]

How would you like to be the owner of this incredible bridge I own in Brooklyn?

Don't listen to him. I, OTOH, have a really great deal on some ocean front property in Tucson Arizona that I can let you have for pennies on the dollar