SCOTUS & gay wedding cakes

[Cow Poke]

I think that is what happened in all of these cases. Nobody has went to a Muslim bakery and sued them for not making a cake. Just Christian ones.

When we were testifying in Austin on the Religious Liberty thing, a self proclaimed gay guy testified FOR us, advising that some of his own 'associates' were visiting churches pretending to want weddings or building use or whatever, just so they could be rejected... he said he was outraged that 'his own community' would do that.

I had to give the guy kudos!

[thewriteranon]

Case fishing is not uncommon. A funny story a classmate once told us that he learned from his research for his term paper: our friends from the Freedom from Religion Foundation did not like the portion of the tax code that allows someone to write off their housing if it's a parsonage, so they sued. However, they did not have standing so they were advised by the judge that they would first have to apply for the deduction and be denied. Well they did just that, and the IRS granted them the deduction! So then they had to amend the return, telling the IRS that they were atheists and did not actually have a parsonage to qualify for the deduction and so the IRS revoked. Now they have standing to sue.

[Tassman]

If the cake artist is forced to make a cake with two grooms on it - THAT, sir, is a same sex wedding cake.

If the baker makes a standard wedding cake with two grooms on top, it's hardly "art" is it?

[Sparko]

If the baker makes a standard wedding cake with two grooms on top, it's hardly "art" is it?

There are no standard wedding cakes at a custom bakery. They come in and discuss the design with the cake artist and custom order the cake. That's how it works, Tassy. If they want a generic wedding cake, they can probably go to someplace like WalMart's bakery and find the bits there. Some assembly required.

[Cow Poke]

If the baker makes a standard wedding cake with two grooms on top, it's hardly "art" is it?

Wow, so make up you mind... is it "IT'S JUST A CAKE", or are you complaining now that the baker makes too simple a cake. Wedding cakes are not "Standard" unless you just go in somewhere and buy one off the shelf.

Tassma, your head is so screwed up on this you don't even know what you're arguing.

[JimL]

I hereby take that response as an acceptable compromise on your part.

It's not a compromise, a wedding cake is a wedding cake no matter what the sexual orientation of the person or persons requesting it to be made. What if the gay person requesting the cake never mentioned that he/she was gay or that the cake was for a gay wedding? The baker would obviously then just go ahead and make the cake for him. But he didn't make it, he refused to make it, and he refused to make it because the client revealed that he was gay and that the cake was for his wedding. That means that all a gay person would have to do is to not disclose his/her sexual identity and they would be served. Well, that is discrimination!

[JimL]

Here is Jack Phillips in his own words:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/917631001/

From his Lawyers:

https://adflegal.org/detailspages/cl.../jack-phillips

This was never about a standard cake, but designing a custom cake for a gay wedding.

The bakers choice was to make and sell wedding cakes to the general public, and that means that he can not discriminate against certain groups simply due to his own beliefs. The cake is for the customer, and for their celebration, not for the baker.

[Sparko]

It's not a compromise, a wedding cake is a wedding cake no matter what the sexual orientation of the person or persons requesting it to be made. What if the gay person requesting the cake never mentioned that he/she was gay or that the cake was for a gay wedding? The baker would obviously then just go ahead and make the cake for him. But he didn't make it, he refused to make it, and he refused to make it because the client revealed that he was gay and that the cake was for his wedding. That means that all a gay person would have to do is to not disclose his/her sexual identity and they would be served. Well, that is discrimination!

You have yet to show that the gay couple was trying to buy some generic wedding cake, JimL.

[Cow Poke]

You have yet to show that the gay couple was trying to buy some generic wedding cake, JimL.

Or that this particular baker was in the business of making 'generic' wedding cakes.

[Sparko]

Or that this particular baker was in the business of making 'generic' wedding cakes.

none of that fits with their narrative. They make up an excuse then assume the facts fit their story.

[JimL]

You have yet to show that the gay couple was trying to buy some generic wedding cake, JimL.

But you have yet to show that the gay couple was trying to buy something other than a generic wedding cake. Not that I think that makes any difference. It's perfectly legal for gay people to marry and if the baker makes wedding cakes, custom designed wedding cakes, then he can't discriminate, he can't refuse to do so, based on the customers race, religion, sexual orientation etc.

[Sparko]

But you have yet to show that the gay couple was trying to buy something other than a generic wedding cake. Not that I think that makes any difference. It's perfectly legal for gay people to marry and if the baker makes wedding cakes, custom designed wedding cakes, then he can't discriminate, he can't refuse to do so, based on the customers race, religion, sexual orientation etc.

Rong!

I already showed that they were asking him to make a custom cake for their wedding. In the baker's own words and from his attorneys. If you want to claim it was some generic cake then you need to show some evidence. Not even the gay couple was claiming all they wanted was a generic cake.

[Cow Poke]

none of that fits with their narrative. They make up an excuse then assume the facts fit their story.

Like a gay couple would actually go to a custom baker to get a 'generic' wedding cake. It's amazing the different wacky theories up with which they keep coming.

[Sparko]

Like a gay couple would actually go to a custom baker to get a 'generic' wedding cake. It's amazing the different wacky theories up with which they keep coming.

They just saw this generic cake in the window and wanted to buy it but the nazi baker woudln't sell it to them!!!

[Cow Poke]

They just saw this generic cake in the window and wanted to buy it but the nazi baker woudln't sell it to them!!!

Then they went down the street to the art museum to buy a $4.99 print of Mona Lisa. It's amazing that, though they don't realize they're doing it, liberals have to paint this gay couple as being really really stupid. Kinda like "ILGA had no idea who NAMBLA was".