NFL�s Proposed National Anthem Rules

[Cow Poke]

Why would anyone put a saying on a bank note that has anything to do with god at all?

Because, at the time, there was a widespread feeling that we, as a nation, were under the blessing of God.

We did manage almost 200 years without it...and then along came McCarthyism...

Meh... Since 1789, Congress has had a chaplain, and he opens each day's business with prayer. Both the House and the Senate open sessions with prayer. The prayers, IIRC, are even included in the Congressional Record.

[Charles]

I think this is rather simple but you completely miss the point. Let's say I find the stament "Jjiljihilh is klhiogioh" completely meaningles. Let's say that even though I find it completely meaningles I am aware that other people have a particular interpretation of the statement "Jjiljihilh is klhiogioh". This particular interpretation of a statement I find meaningles causes these people to act in certain ways that I disagree with morally and they live their life in a way that I don't support or agree with. Should the fact that I find the statement meaningles cause me to have no worries about spreading it when it has got consequences I don't like? I think you know the answer....

[carpedm9587]

Because, at the time, there was a widespread feeling that we, as a nation, were under the blessing of God.

Actually - the "In god we Trust" and "under god" were added to the money and the pledge (respectively) in the 1950s under McCarthyism to draw the distinction of the U.S. as separate in kind from those "godless communists."

Meh... Since 1789, Congress has had a chaplain, and he opens each day's business with prayer. Both the House and the Senate open sessions with prayer. The prayers, IIRC, are even included in the Congressional Record.

Yes they are. IMO, they have no business in our government. However, I recognize I will not affect change here - so it's not a hill I'm going to waste a lot of time dying on. If I watch a session of Congress, I just go get a snack during the opening. If I'm there live, I play a couple games on my phone until they're done.

[Cow Poke]

Actually - the "In god we Trust" and "under god" were added to the money and the pledge (respectively) in the 1950s under McCarthyism to draw the distinction of the U.S. as separate in kind from those "godless communists."

And?

Yes they are. IMO, they have no business in our government. However, I recognize I will not affect change here - so it's not a hill I'm going to waste a lot of time dying on. If I watch a session of Congress, I just go get a snack during the opening. If I'm there live, I play a couple games on my phone until they're done.

Cool, so when you pay for goods with money, just play with your phone and don't read the wording. Just be sure to look at the denomination of the bill so you don't overpay. Problem solved!

[Cow Poke]

Actually - the "In god we Trust" and "under god" were added to the money and the pledge (respectively) in the 1950s under McCarthyism to draw the distinction of the U.S. as separate in kind from those "godless communists."

You do realize that "In God We Trust" was added to coins under Abraham Lincoln, long before McCarthy, no? (According to The Congressional Record (1908, House), p. 3387)

[One Bad Pig]

It is to a theist. It is not to an atheist.

Nice goalpost move. It is normal to society in general, and has always been.

It is imposition of religion by a government, which the constitution strictly prohibits. As noted before, if the money is silent about gods, everyone can use it without contradiction. Adding the slogan makes the currency divisive.

Only because you make an issue out of it. No one is making the argument that you're somehow a theist because you're using the money.

If anyone thinks "snowflake" is a term that bothers me, they are mistaken.

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I will use a term because it bothers someone. I use it because it seems to fit.

Not a snowflake in sight...

Only in your mirror. You melt every time you touch a bank note.

[KingsGambit]

Why is "workers of the world, unite" a message Christians would disapprove of?

Context.

[Cow Poke]

Actually - the "In god we Trust" and "under god" were added to the money and the pledge (respectively) in the 1950s under McCarthyism to draw the distinction of the U.S. as separate in kind from those "godless communists."

I'm still researching this, but I think you've been conned by some anti-Christian talking points or something.

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I think this is where you've been misled....

But the "In God We Trust" inscription had been used continuously since Lincoln's time on various monies.

[carpedm9587]

And?

The point is - we managed 200 years without it. And McCarthyism was not exactly a national "high" point. Why add a divisive (and increasingly so as the nation becomes more secularized) term to our pledge and money, when we can omit it and then all say/use the pledge/money without conflict?

Cool, so when you pay for goods with money, just play with your phone and don't read the wording. Just be sure to look at the denomination of the bill so you don't overpay. Problem solved!

Or omit the divisive language and everyone can use it without conflict.

Problem solved!

[Cow Poke]

The point is - we managed 200 years without it.

That's simply not true - see my other posts.

[carpedm9587]

You do realize that "In God We Trust" was added to coins under Abraham Lincoln, long before McCarthy, no? (According to The Congressional Record (1908, House), p. 3387)

Actually I didn't, so thanks for that information. Apparently it was put on a 2-cent piece in 1864 and was in circulation until 1873 (9 years). Then it was not used again until 1956, when it returned - as I noted - in response to McCarthyism and "godless communists."

[carpedm9587]

Nice goalpost move. It is normal to society in general, and has always been.

It is normal to theists, who have dominated society for most of human history.

Only because you make an issue out of it. No one is making the argument that you're somehow a theist because you're using the money.

And I said they were...?

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I will use a term because it bothers someone. I use it because it seems to fit.

It doesn't

Only in your mirror. You melt every time you touch a bank note.

Actually...not... as I have repeatedly said. I use them if I have to. I avoid them when I don't.

[carpedm9587]

Context.

[carpedm9587]

That's simply not true - see my other posts.

OK - we managed 200 years minus 9 years on one small coin...

[Cow Poke]

Actually I didn't, so thanks for that information. Apparently it was put on a 2-cent piece in 1864 and was in circulation until 1873 (9 years). Then it was not used again until 1956, when it returned - as I noted - in response to McCarthyism and "godless communists."

Um.... no.

Source: treasury.gov

The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary's approval.

The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908.

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