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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut, unfortunately, even if what "she said" is made up, it doesn't matter - the damage is done. (Which is why I (and most Pastors I know) have very strict rules about meeting with women for counseling)Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI had a friend who used to be a youth pastor. If he ever counseled teen girls, he always did it at the church during office hours when other people would be around, he always kept his office door open, and his wife was always present.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostInteresting. Occasionally, at the conclusion of a service, a woman will want to talk to me about something. I'll sit with her on the front pew, and several of my deacons know that's their cue to stay in the worship center and "straighten hymnals" or otherwise be busy 'doing something' - picking up lint, tinkering with the sound system, etc...
About two weeks ago, a woman stayed after our Wednesday evening service, and came into my office and shut the door, and started crying - (glass door, visible to and from the main hallway). Everybody else had left except one of my deacons, and he was easing his way toward the door. I tried to get his attention without being too obvious, but we waved "goodbye" and left. I told her we needed to talk in the morning, and I needed to go check the doors in the rest of the building. (I knew it was already locked, but I wanted out of there)
I wandered down the hall while she got her things together, and I waited til she left - and while I was down the hall, it suddenly occurred to me that I was "on camera" in both the hallways, so I just kinda loitered there for a minute.
This woman later complained I wouldn't talk to her, so I explained to her (on the phone) that I am extremely uncomfortable being alone in the building at night with a woman not my wife.
She actually complained to her husband, who called our deacon chairman, and said, "The pastor said he was extremely uncomfortable with my wife at night in the building alone". Our deacon chair was kinda stunned, and said, "well?"
They ended up getting mad and leaving the church. Sure, I could have handled it better, but it all kinda happened so fast, and she is a bit.... um... emotionally unstable.
You boys did more damage in the damage control, judging by the description here. It wasn't about her trying to do anything wrong - obviously from your POV - but it comes off sounding like you thought she was trying something - THAT'S what ticked them both off."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEditing fail:
The problem with these allegations is that it seems entirely to be a 'he said, she said' situation. It is exceedingly unlikely that there is any evidence either way.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Cool - and relevant."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI had a friend who used to be a youth pastor. If he ever counseled teen girls, he always did it at the church during office hours when other people would be around, he always kept his office door open, and his wife was always present.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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In the case of a male counselor meeting with a female, it's an accountability thing, for one, so that nobody succumbs to temptation. It's also to protect both parties from false accusations of impropriety so that they don't wind up in a "he said/she said" scenario.
There was a youth pastor years ago in California who had a large ministry who apparently didn't have such guidelines who was accused of having sexual relations with one of the teen girls. She later admitted that she was lying to get attention, but his career as a youth pastor was pretty much over. Everybody hears the accusation, but almost nobody hears the retraction.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostEh, I see her point - the phrasing sounds almost accusatory. Uncomfortable with herThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View Post(and the 'emotionally unstable' doesn't help)
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou boys
did more damage in the damage control, judging by the description here. It wasn't about her trying to do anything wrong - obviously from your POV - but it comes off sounding like you thought she was trying something - THAT'S what ticked them both off.
THAT is what ticked them off.Last edited by Cow Poke; 11-09-2017, 05:07 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhy just women?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBecause I suspect that most pastors are not attracted to men, or that it would be less likely that a man would accuse a pastor of rape or the like.
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One Alabama Republican has an interesting defense: The idea that Mary may have been a teenager and Joseph much older means this isn't a problem.
http://time.com/5017940/roy-moore-se...e-jim-ziegler/
That's what we call an own goal.
It is telling that somebody who is presumably an Alabama political insider seems to be basically admitting that it's true, though.Last edited by KingsGambit; 11-09-2017, 09:18 PM."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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