Harvey Weinstein: Another Good Liberal...

[rogue06]

It is incredibly unfair, and possibly inhumane, to try to torture Tassy with those fact thingies when his mind is already made up.

[Mountain Man]

Actor George "Sulu" Takei was accused of sexual assault.

Now comes the fun part: He's blaming Russian bots for amplifying the story.

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/1...-russian-bots/

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[rogue06]

Actor George "Sulu" Takei was accused of sexual assault.

Now comes the fun part: He's blaming Russian bots for amplifying the story.

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/1...-russian-bots/

© Copyright Original Source

He's blaming Russian bots for spreading false sexual assault allegations but is having a hard time keeping his stories straight (no pun intended).

On Friday, Scott R. Brunton, a former actor and model accused Takei of sexually assaulting him in 1981 after spiking his drink. For his part, Takei denied the allegations on Saturday, saying that he was "shocked and bewildered" by the claims. But just a couple weeks ago during an interview with Howard Stern, Takei appeared to admit that he had grabbed and groped men in the past, saying he did it to "persuade" people who were "afraid" to have a sexual encounter with him.

Specifically, Stern asked him if he had ever "grabbed someone" by their genitals against their will (an interesting question to ask anyone making me wonder what Stern knew or has heard). The following is from Newsweek and is a bit on the explicit side so be forewarned

[Mountain Man]

Stern is interesting in the fact that it seems like his guests almost immediately trust him and confess things to him that they otherwise wouldn't admit even though he has millions of listeners. I'm sure there's a fascinating psychological study there.

[rogue06]

Stern is interesting in the fact that it seems like his guests almost immediately trust him and confess things to him that they otherwise wouldn't admit even though he has millions of listeners. I'm sure there's a fascinating psychological study there.

It seems that a good many of them have been drinking or indulging in other mood altering substances when they're on his show.

[Mountain Man]

So he gets them liquored-up before they go on the air... interesting.

[rogue06]

So he gets them liquored-up before they go on the air... interesting.

I don't know it for a fact but some of those on his old TV show sure looked intoxicated

[Tassman]

Noooo. Not at all

Which explains why so many prominent gays were so outraged when IGLA threw them under the bus.

http://ilga.org/about-us/

[Adrift]

Stern is interesting in the fact that it seems like his guests almost immediately trust him and confess things to him that they otherwise wouldn't admit even though he has millions of listeners. I'm sure there's a fascinating psychological study there.

Because Stern is about as equally bad as his guests. A few years ago Takei masturbated some fan live on Howard Stern's video feed, so he obviously feels very open on Stern's show. Apparently Takei's partner wasn't too happy about that incident either.

[seer]

Because Stern is about as equally bad as his guests. A few years ago Takei masturbated some fan live feed on Howard Stern's video feed, so he obviously feels very open on Stern's show. Apparently Takei's partner wasn't too happy about that incident either.

Takei is turning into a sad, degenerate old queen...

[Zymologist]

Because Stern is about as equally bad as his guests. A few years ago Takei masturbated some fan live on Howard Stern's video feed, so he obviously feels very open on Stern's show. Apparently Takei's partner wasn't too happy about that incident either.

...seriously?

[Adrift]

...seriously?

Yep. The video was linked in a number of Reddit threads when the news came out. It's as explicit and X-rated as it gets.

[rogue06]

Seriously? You are revealing that in spite of my posting the evidence multiple times already on this thread that you never even looked at it before summarily dismissing it.

Let's try again:

You don't need any interpretation but can read for yourself what gay leaders at the time said about the split.

Once again (because for some odd reason you steadfastly refuse to respond to the evidence presented but instead repeatedly choose to sit back and mumble "nuh-uh") I'll re-post the things said by various leading representatives of the gay community said

Really?

It's roots are much deeper. From Journal of Homosexuality in 1991:

Source: Man/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement

Abstract

The issue of man/boy love has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany. In the United States, as the gay movement has retreated from its vision of sexual freedom for all in favor of integration into existing social and political structures, it has sought to marginalize cross-generational love as a "non-gay" issue. The two movements continue to overlap, amid signs of mutual support as well as tension - a state of affairs that also characterizes their interrelationship in other countries. This article offers an overview and analysis of that interrelationship in the United States since the Stonewall Riots in New York City in June 1969, which marked the beginning of a reinvigorated struggle for gay liberation.

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And from your source:

Your only defense was to say that NAMBLA got booted out of participating in events like some gay pride marches^[1] conveniently overlooking the fact that they were part of, and the founder of NAMBLA, David Thorstad, had even been invited to be the keynote speaker at. Then the leaders of the gay rights movement realized that they had to jettison their longtime allies if they ever were going to succeed in normalizing gay behavior.

That they had marched arm-and-arm together for quite some time is attested to by the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) acknowledgement that NAMBLA played an integral part of the gay rights movement for at least a decade stating in 1994.

NAMBLA has been a member of the International Lesbian and Gay Association for 10 years. We've been continuously active in ILGA longer than any other US organization. NAMBLA delegates to ILGA helped write ILGA's constitution, its official positions on the sexual rights of youth, and its stands against sexual coercion and corporal punishment. We are proud of our contributions in making ILGA a stronger voice for the international gay and lesbian movement and for sexual justice.

In spite of this proud history, four of ILGA's six secretariats, meeting in New York, November 5-7, have request NAMBLA to resign and stated that they will seek its expulsion by the general membership this summer unless it complies.

IOW, NAMBLA had been a member in good standing of ILGA, and only after that latter group sought consultative status with the United Nations, were accepted and then suspended when their close relationship with NAMBLA was discovered, were they tossed aside, as the gay rights magazine The Advocate describes it, "revoking NAMBLA's ten-year membership in the worldwide group."

Oops.

In fact NAMBLA arose out of the the "Boston-Boise Committee," which was a gay rights organization, and their reaction to the arrest of 24 men for having sex with minors during a raid on a house in the late 70s (which they termed the "Boston witchunt"), in order to promote solidarity among gay men, declaring in an official leaflet that:"The Gay Community Fights Back" and "The closet is weak. There is strength in unity and openness."

And as I've previously noted there were many outspoken prominent gay activists who were upset with this and refused to throw their comrades under the bus such as the poet Allen Ginsberg with his "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance" remark. And prominent American gay rights activist, Harry Hay, sometimes referred to as the "Father of Gay Liberation" wearing his "NAMBLA walks with me" sign at the 1986 Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade after NAMBLA was excluded.

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Even more telling were his remarks at the 1983 NAMBLA conference in New York where he proclaimed:

"If the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world"

Need more or are you still in denial?

How about Michael Kearns' 1988 article "Men Loving Boys" in the Los Angeles gay magazine Edge where he said that

"Discrimination among ourselves is profoundly self destructive. NAMBLA deserves to be heard and respected"

"Respected"?

In the Bay Area Reporter (BAR -- the oldest as well as one of the largest circulation pro-gay newspapers by circulation in the United States), Steve Hanson declared in a 1992 article "Shame on Us":

"Shame on us if our lesbian/gay voices remain silent while our NAMBLA brothers are persecuted once again, and shame on those lesbians and gay men who will raise their voices to condemn NAMBLA, insisting that boy lovers (and presumably the boys they love and who love them) are not part of this thing called the lesbian/gay community."

Scott O'Hara (real name John Robert Scott), the gay porno actor and activist who published the quarterly gay sex magazine Steam wrote

"In the efforts of the gay establishment to suppress NAMBLA I see the seeds of tyranny."

James Lynn 'Jim' Kepner, regarded as a pioneer of the U.S. gay rights movement, curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles which became a major part of ONE National Gay & Lesbian Archives (called the premier source for gay and lesbian research), wrote



In his 1991 book The Big Gay Book: A Man's Survival Guide for the 90s, John D. Preston, described as a pioneer in the early gay rights movement in Minneapolis, Minnesota who helped found one of the earliest gay community centers in the United States, was still promoting NAMBLA when he tells his readers

"Sex between youths and adults is one of the most difficult issues in the gay movement. When does a youngster have the right and the power to make his own sexual decisions? How are laws against intergenerational sex used specifically to target gay men? What are the issues that make the romantic image of the Greek teacher and his student in times of antiquity turn into something ugly and forbidden in the modern age? If you want to explore these issues, NAMBLA is the organization that will supply you with brochures, thought-provoking books and booklets."

Around the same time the founder of the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT-UP) was blaming the victims of pedophiles in order to justify it as recounted in Reports from the Holocaust: The Story of an AIDS Activist a book about on AIDS activism and gay rights:

"In those cases where children do have sex with their homosexual elders... I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity."

Likewise the French philosopher Michel Foucault with an apparent fondness for the sado-masochistic gay scene, made similar claims

"It is quite difficult to lay down barriers [particularly since] it could be that the child, with his own sexuality, may have desired the adult."

Samuel Delany, a noted Science Fiction author who has won 4 Nebula and 2 Hugo awards, and an outspoken gay activist wrote in the Queer Desires Forum in 1994:

*Mild language warning*

"I read The NAMBLA Bulletin fairly regularly and I think it is one of the most intelligent discussions of sexuality I've ever found. ... Before you start judging what NAMBLA is about, expose yourself to it and see what it is really about, the issues they are really talking about; and deal with what's really there rather than this demonized notion of guys running about trying to screw little boys. I would have been so much happier as an adolescent if NAMBLA had been around when I was 9, 10, 11, 12, 13."

In a 1994 issue of the national gay magazine 10 Percent Magazine, one of NAMBLA's founders boasted, David Thorstad boasted

"If it weren't for us [pedophiles], there wouldn't be a gay movement. If the leaders of the gay movement today want to turn their backs on the spirit of gay liberation, f- them. We're speaking the truth, and the truth is that man boy love is a central part of gay liberation, and it is a central feature of homosexuality in the West."

ETA: And, btw, I cannot help but notice how you always overlooked this part of my original post when it is brought up

And the 1972 Gay Rights Platform, created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention (represented by some 200 gay rights groups) held in Chicago of that year, called for "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent" (#7 of actions to be taken at the state level). To the best of my knowledge, none of the organizations involved or their successors have ever repudiated this platform including the call to eliminate an age of consent.

To add to that back in 1984 a Philadelphia bookstore sold a book entitled How to Have Sex With Kids by the Howard Nichols Society (run by David Sonenschein, a former consultant to the 1970 Presidential Committee on Obscenity and Pornography!), which included instructions on how to both entice and kidnap small children, how to have sex with them, and even how to intimidate and threaten them into silence. The gay community proclaimed that the book was protected by the First Amendment and generally refused to either disavow the contents of the book or to criticize the writers, publishers, or distributors of it.







1. After being disinvited for political expediency NAMBLA was nevertheless still invited to participate in other gay pride marches such as the Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) parade. Long time gay activist and civil libertarian Bill Dobbs was extremely vocal in his defense of their participation.

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NAMBLA at the SOS parade

Read what Allen Ginsberg, Harry Hay, Michael Kearns, Steve Hanson, Scott O'Hara (real name John Robert Scott), James Lynn 'Jim' Kepner, John D. Preston, Samuel Delany and others said about NAMBLA and the decision to kick them out.

[rogue06]

Takei is turning into a sad, degenerate old queen...

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[Cow Poke]

Seriously? You are revealing that in spite of my posting the evidence multiple times already on this thread that you never even looked at it before summarily dismissing it.

Let's try again:



Read what Allen Ginsberg, Harry Hay, Michael Kearns, Steve Hanson, Scott O'Hara (real name John Robert Scott), James Lynn 'Jim' Kepner, John D. Preston, Samuel Delany and others said about NAMBLA and the decision to kick them out.

Bless you for taking the time to do all this, but you realize it doesn't mean a thing to Tassy, because he doesn't care about truth or facts.