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Liberal Teacher Tells Students It’s ‘Offensive’ to Identify as ‘Straight’
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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
I read the piece shortly after the o/p was posted. The guy's got a reasonable argument, but I don't think it's sufficient to overcome the inertia of the term "straight." That's only after we allow an uncalled-for generosity to those who neglected to read the article before posting. He advocated for his own choice not to use the term. He didn't require his students to follow that lead.
Now, a satirist. or just someone with half a brain who's actually read his argument in the article might respond that we should disfavor the word "gay" because of the negative inference that those who are not homosexual must be "sad," a word better reserved for those who respond to articles they haven't read.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
That is in dispute. The article says "However, the parent said that when her 15-year-old son labeled himself “straight,” Golash told him to pick a less offensive term." The teacher more or less denies having given a directive, but doesn't flat out say the parent is lying.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
That is in dispute. The article says "However, the parent said that when her 15-year-old son labeled himself “straight,” Golash told him to pick a less offensive term." The teacher more or less denies having given a directive, but doesn't flat out say the parent is lying.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
You've taught. You've had students. You know they can't be relied on to listen, let alone report what they heard accurately. The parent wasn't even there."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
What the teacher claims that he said is a circumlocutory way of saying the term is offensive even if the tone was neutral, so the 15 yo's report can be deemed accurate.
I regularly rant about established usages in my classes.
.I mean, nobody calls two matching buildings a building complex, so why do we call them complex numbers! They're duplexes! They're duplex numbers!
Despite the fact that I'm obviously and objectively right, despite the fact most of my colleagues agree with me when I explain my reasoning, I've yet to find a publisher willing to break with tradition.
And no one has ever complained about my rants, either.
It's like non-real numbers have no rights. No one cares about them at all.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
I've got no problems asking students to think about the words they use or consider alternate ways of saying things. It's good practice. It inspires originality.
I regularly rant about established usages in my classes.
.I mean, nobody calls two matching buildings a building complex, so why do we call them complex numbers! They're duplexes! They're duplex numbers!
Despite the fact that I'm obviously and objectively right, despite the fact most of my colleagues agree with me when I explain my reasoning, I've yet to find a publisher willing to break with tradition.
And no one has ever complained about my rants, either.
It's like non-real numbers have no rights. No one cares about them at all.
The same kinds of problem present with English grammar.
Why is that called an adverb? It doesn't affect the effect of the verb. Every other language with nouns in four cases (5 if you include vocative) calls it a genitive noun (as did English until the mid 20th century).
What do you mean, "is" + verb can't be present perfect?Last edited by tabibito; 01-15-2024, 08:02 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
I'm inclined to believe the parent, and really, the student instead, here given that the parent provided a quotation that would at least give the gist of what was said, but the teacher gave a roundabout explanation that doesn't actually establish what was said. Had the student been outright lying, I'd have expected a "no, what I said was this..." here.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
I feel your pain, though I gave up on math when trying to process surds - never did get the same answer twice. Did someone forget the "ab" there? The same kinds of problem present with English grammar.
Why is that called an adverb? It doesn't affect the effect of the verb. Every other language with nouns in four cases (5 if you include vocative) calls it a genitive noun (as did English until the mid 20th century).
What do you mean, "is" + "verb" can't be present perfect?
.Do you know what a rational number is?
It's about (mumbles trailing off)
Do you know what a fraction is?
Oh yeah!
That! That right there!
Why on earth did we replace a word everyone knows, with just two syllables, with five syllables spread across two words? That's not how math works.
We always choose shorter terms, and we always leave out anything that's not necessary, like the index 2 above the radical for square roots. There were no "rational numbers' when I was a kid. They were "fractions." There were no "natural numbers" either. We called them "counting numbers" because everyone knew what numbers we use for counting!
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I learned how to extract nth roots by hand back when dinosaurs walked the earth, but there's no need to find them manually anymore.
The easiest way to calculate a surd is to use the power key on your calculator, probably showing as a "^" symbol on the keyboard. Use the fraction or its decimal if it has one.
√2 = 2 ^ .5,
3√2 = 2 ^ (1/3) ... don't forget the parentheses, because PEMDAS.
4√2 = 2 ^ .25
etc.
And we now return this thread to its rightful topic.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
I'm inclined to believe the parent ....
... and really, the student instead, here given that the parent provided a quotation that would at least give the gist of what was said, but the teacher gave a roundabout explanation that doesn't actually establish what was said. Had the student been outright lying, I'd have expected a "no, what I said was this..." here.
I teach math, and even there, I never directly disagree with students. There's no point creating conflicts that can be avoided by just sticking to facts, or simply disengaging.
I once had a student demand I'd never sent her an email about an assignment she'd missed, in class, while I was projecting my desktop on the board. So I put the email I sent to her on screen. The student then accused me of calling her a liar. The fact is that students will lie straight to your face even with the evidence on display for the entire classroom. All I said in response was there's the email. When she continued to speak, I ignored her and went on with the class, leaving her with nothing to rail against.
Maybe you think he should have egged on the fight. You don't teach anymore, right?
Thankfully I'm entirely shielded from their parents by FERPA.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
Did you miss the fact the parent wasn't there? The only thing they know is what the student told them, and we can't be sure they're reporting that correctly, either.
Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
Because they had a better quote? Oh no, you didn't really say that.
Perhaps it is your personal policy to never directly disagree with students, but if ever there was a time to so contradict, it would be in defending oneself in a politically charged situation that is headed straight for the national news and possibly leading to disciplinary option. If the teacher really has nothing to hide here, now would be the time to set the record straight. People who were blatantly slandered should say so, not offer incoherent non-denials.
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Maybe you think he should have egged on the fight. You don't teach anymore, right?
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I don't. Not for me. Having said that, that's a complete non sequitur and you know that. I am speaking with how the teacher responded to being questioned after the fact, not the original alleged incident."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by View PostA teacher somewhere in the world said a dumb and wrong thing?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The problem is there are a depressingly significant number of liberals who don't believe the teacher is dumb or wrong.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
Did you miss the fact the parent wasn't there? The only thing they know is what the student told them, and we can't be sure they're reporting that correctly, either.
Because they had a better quote? Oh no, you didn't really say that.
I teach math, and even there, I never directly disagree with students. There's no point creating conflicts that can be avoided by just sticking to facts, or simply disengaging.
I once had a student demand I'd never sent her an email about an assignment she'd missed, in class, while I was projecting my desktop on the board. So I put the email I sent to her on screen. The student then accused me of calling her a liar. The fact is that students will lie straight to your face even with the evidence on display for the entire classroom. All I said in response was there's the email. When she continued to speak, I ignored her and went on with the class, leaving her with nothing to rail against.
Maybe you think he should have egged on the fight. You don't teach anymore, right?
Thankfully I'm entirely shielded from their parents by FERPA.
MaxVel put a bow on your typical nonsense in another thread:
Originally posted by MaxVel View PostWhat's next? Oh, just the usual - an attempt at showing how much better than everyone you are by an irrelevant extended anecdote about another of your wonderful life experiences. Humble-brag = Ho hum again.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Not to mention the startling frequency that these exact same sort of "dumb or wrong" things keep occurring.
I remember a feminist blogger named "witchy wind" about 15 years ago who was posting on Tumblr or some such site that all heterosexual intercourse was rape because women cannot consent due to inherent power structures in society. We all had a laugh about it in the politics discussion site I hung out on then, and I haven't seen the idea come up since."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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