Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians

[JimL]

And you have condemned him as guilty before there is even any evidence.

Wrong, theres plenty of evidence, there is just no absolute proof that Trump has any awareness of whats going on around him, at least no proof that has yet come out. Was Trump aware of the fact that the man he signed on as NSA was a foreign agent, did he know that he was communicating with the Russians over sanctions, did he know that P. Manafort was basically a Russian agent before he brought him on as campaign manager, did he know that Carter Page once passed documents to Russian spies, did he know that Wilber Ross was a big wig at Deutche Bank which was where the Russian Oligarchs did all their money laundering? There are so many people on Trump's team with connections to Russia that I can't remember them all off the top of my head, but who picked these people, why, and were they vetted at all? If so why were they still hired? So, there is no absolute proof, it may be that Trump is just a complete dupe, and has no idea whats going on around him, but that I think is highly unlikely considering his own connections to Russia and his constant praise of Putin.

[Sparko]

Wrong, theres plenty of evidence, there is just no absolute proof that Trump has any awareness of whats going on around him, at least no proof that has yet come out. Was Trump aware of the fact that the man he signed on as NSA was a foreign agent, did he know that he was communicating with the Russians over sanctions, did he know that P. Manafort was basically a Russian agent before he brought him on as campaign manager, did he know that Carter Page once passed documents to Russian spies, did he know that Wilber Ross was a big wig at Deutche Bank which was where the Russian Oligarchs did all their money laundering? There are so many people on Trump's team with connections to Russia that I can't remember them all off the top of my head, but who picked these people, why, and were they vetted at all? If so why were they still hired? So, there is no absolute proof, it may be that Trump is just a complete dupe, and has no idea whats going on around him, but that I think is highly unlikely considering his own connections to Russia and his constant praise of Putin.

There is no evidence. Just inuendo and rumors, by anonymous sources.

[Mountain Man]

There is no evidence. Just inuendo and rumors, by anonymous sources.

And that's all it has ever been, going all the way back to Hillary's claim during one of the debates that "A dozen intelligence agencies are pretty darn certain Russia is up to something!" And come to find out, we don't have any good evidence that Russia was even involved in the first place with Crowdstrike being discredited.

[Sparko]

And that's all it has ever been, going all the way back to Hillary's claim during one of the debates that "A dozen intelligence agencies are pretty darn certain Russia is up to something!" And come to find out, we don't have any good evidence that Russia was even involved in the first place with Crowdstrike being discredited.

What I find really hilarious is that Jimmy and Tassy think that RUMORS of FBI investigations means automatic guilt on Trump's part, yet a few months ago, ACTUAL FBI Investigations against Hillary didn't mean anything at all, she was innocent!

[Mountain Man]

What I find really hilarious is that Jimmy and Tassy think that RUMORS of FBI investigations means automatic guilt on Trump's part, yet a few months ago, ACTUAL FBI Investigations against Hillary didn't mean anything at all, she was innocent!

And they continued to proclaim Hillary's innocence even after Comey laid out an open-and-shut case against her during his testimony, and even though he recommended no indictment (Why!), he went on to admit that if it was anybody other than Hillary then they would have faced consequences.

[Tassman]

What I find really hilarious is that Jimmy and Tassy think that RUMORS of FBI investigations means automatic guilt on Trump's part,

Come now! Comey announced to the House Investigation Committee (before it was derailed by the partisan antics of Nunes) that the FBI is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow to influence the outcome of the presidential election. That's more than "just rumours" nor does it mean "automatic guilt". But it DOES mean that there is sufficient reason to pursue to investigation. And, given the number of Trump associates with known close contacts with Russia, one can understand why.

[Bill the Cat]

You are exonerating Trump before the investigation is completed, which is premature. Especially given the number of Trump associates with some sort of involvement with Russia. Yes its merely circumstantial evidence at this stage but there's a hell of a lot of it and growing.

Nothing they are accusing him of is illegal. That's the point...

[JimL]

Nothing they are accusing him of is illegal. That's the point...

Personally, they haven't accused him of anything yet, its under investigation, thats the point. But either way you look at it is not good for Trump, either he was complicit in the hiring of people he knew to be shady characters, or he's an incompetent boob who has no business being in the White House.

[Meh Gerbil]

Personally, they haven't accused him of anything yet, its under investigation, thats the point. But either way you look at it is not good for Trump, either he was complicit in the hiring of people he knew to be shady characters, or he's an incompetent boob who has no business being in the White House.

Sparko and I were discussing this earlier and we had reached the conclusion that there were only two possible options but we didn't know them.
Thanks for identifying the only two possible options for us.

[Bill the Cat]

Personally, they haven't accused him of anything yet, its under investigation, thats the point. But either way you look at it is not good for Trump, either he was complicit in the hiring of people he knew to be shady characters, or he's an incompetent boob who has no business being in the White House.

Again, neither option is illegal.

[JimL]

Again, neither option is illegal.

Actually yeah it is, being an incompetent boob is not illegal, but if Trump was complicit in aiding a foriegn entity in their attempt to undermine the U.S. electoral process and democracy itself, it is illegal.

[Bill the Cat]

Actually yeah it is, being an incompetent boob is not illegal, but if Trump was complicit in aiding a foriegn entity in their attempt to undermine the U.S. electoral process and democracy itself, it is illegal.

See, that's the thing. What part of the "electoral process" did Russia mess with? Engaging in propaganda isn't messing with the process of elections.

[Meh Gerbil]

Actually yeah it is, being an incompetent boob is not illegal, but if Trump was complicit in aiding a foriegn entity in their attempt to undermine the U.S. electoral process and democracy itself, it is illegal.

Trump wasn't in power when the emails were stolen.
The incompetent boobs who was in power: Hillary Clinton.

If Trump is guilty of a crime I want him to go down hard.
Would you be willing to say the same of Hillary Clinton?

[Sparko]

Sparko and I were discussing this earlier and we had reached the conclusion that there were only two possible options but we didn't know them.
Thanks for identifying the only two possible options for us.

I am still trying to figure out the "he is innocent but an incompetent boob" Option. If he is innocent and had no connection to any Russian Conspiracy to fix the election, then that means he won the election on his own merits and did not cheat, so how does that make him an incompetent boob like JimL?

[Meh Gerbil]

I am still trying to figure out the "he is innocent but an incompetent boob" Option. If he is innocent and had no connection to any Russian Conspiracy to fix the election, then that means he won the election on his own merits and did not cheat, so how does that make him an incompetent boob like JimL?

I've been reading through JimL's posts.
I get the vague impression he really doesn't care for Donald Trump.

Don't take my word for it; ask him, I don't want to assume here.