Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians

[Mountain Man]

There is considerable circumstantial evidence (and growing daily) that Trump campaign aides had repeated contacts with Russian banks and oligarchs in an attempt to influence the elections in Trump's favour. Hence the ongoing FBI investigation.

There was nothing improper, irregular, or illegal about any of their business dealings and zero evidence there were any attempts to influence the election.

You want to find collusion with Russia? Look at Hillary, the Clinton Foundation, and John Podesta.

...and lost the popular vote by a considerable margin.

So? He still won where it mattered.

[Mountain Man]

No, its actually like saying that a team that won a game of American football had less points than the team that lost, which of course is ridiculous.

Except in US presidential elections, electoral college votes are the points, so Trump got considerably more points than Hillary.

It's like hits versus runs in baseball: a team that has the most hits will lose the game if they have fewer runs.

[rogue06]

There is considerable circumstantial evidence (and growing daily) that Trump campaign aides had repeated contacts with Russian banks and oligarchs in an attempt to influence the elections in Trump's favour. Hence the ongoing FBI investigation.



...and lost the popular vote by a considerable margin.

To give you an idea how the accusation that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election appears to have floundered, Democrats, in their desperation, are now reduced to soliciting for tips on the internet to help them make a case.

Eric Swalwell (D-Calif), who is actually a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence as well as the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Subcommittee on the CIA (and thus privy to a lot of inside information regarding inquiries into this matter) has actually started a new website imploring supporters to "Help me connect the #TrumpRussia dots. Submit your tips & we'll follow the evidence & post online."

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It generally is a sign that someone realizes that there just is, as Gertrude Stein so famously put it, "no there there" when they are forced to try such last-gasp, do-or-die tactics.

[Terraceth]

No, its actually like saying that a team that won a game of American football had less points than the team that lost, which of course is ridiculous.

No, it's like what I said. What matters in a game of football is who scored the most points, not who scored the most touchdowns. What matters in a presidential election, like it or not, is the electoral college, not the popular vote. Quite frankly the popular vote should be regarded the same as voter turnout percentage: An interesting thing to note, but ultimately not the decider of who actually wins.

Maybe you don't like the rules, but acting like the rules are something other than what they clearly are, like you're doing, is just plain silly.

Nearly 3 million votes is considerable enough.

Not when you consider the fact that over 100 million votes were cast.

[Tassman]

To give you an idea how the accusation that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election appears to have floundered,

The important stuff is the FBI investigation into collusion between Trump campaign aides and Russian banks and oligarchs in an attempt to influence the elections in Trump's favour. This investigation is still ongoing.

Democrats, in their desperation, are now reduced to soliciting for tips on the internet to help them make a case.

Irrelevant! See above.

[rogue06]

The important stuff is the FBI investigation into collusion between Trump campaign aides and Russian banks and oligarchs in an attempt to influence the elections in Trump's favour. This investigation is still ongoing.



Irrelevant! See above.

Such investigations tend to go on forever but Swalwell who is very likely to have a good idea how they are proceeding (though not necessarily the exact details) tips his hand by starting a tip line on the internet begging people to "Help me connect the #TrumpRussia dots. Submit your tips & we'll follow the evidence & post online." This is a desperate ploy by someone who knows that there just isn't anything there.

[Meh Gerbil]

The important stuff is the FBI investigation into collusion between Trump campaign aides and Russian banks and oligarchs in an attempt to influence the elections in Trump's favour. This investigation is still ongoing.

I find your obsession with this amusing but only because you'll learn the importance of integrity in government in short order.
You see liberals have been training the American public to accept that idea that politicians don't ever have to answer for their treason.

I almost wish Trump was guilty of treason and that it was proven so that your jaw could hit the floor when he isn't called into account for it.
Let the rest of the class known when you're actually interested in the rule of law instead of selective application of the law to 'the other guys'.

[Sparko]

No, U.S Intelligence, the FBI, CIA, have all publiclly stated that to be the case according to their investigations. When U.S. intelligence says it, then that is evidence, not assumption. Of course Russia and Putin deny it, and you are free to believe Putin and Russia over your own countries Intelligence agency if it suits you.

first Tassman was talking about TRUMP being linked to the russians fixing the election. so no they have NOT said that. If they did then why are they still investigating it? all you have are anonymous US sources who have made accusations.

[JimL]

first Tassman was talking about TRUMP being linked to the russians fixing the election. so no they have NOT said that. If they did then why are they still investigating it? all you have are anonymous US sources who have made accusations.

They are still investigating because they don't have all the facts yet. There is already evidence of collusion, but they don't end an investigation until they connect all the dots, not just some of the dots.

[Sparko]

They are still investigating because they don't have all the facts yet. There is already evidence of collusion, but they don't end an investigation until they connect all the dots, not just some of the dots.

dream on.

[One Bad Pig]

I find your obsession with this amusing but only because you'll learn the importance of integrity in government in short order.
You see liberals have been training the American public to accept that idea that politicians don't ever have to answer for their treason.

I almost wish Trump was guilty of treason and that it was proven so that your jaw could hit the floor when he isn't called into account for it.
Let the rest of the class known when you're actually interested in the rule of law instead of selective application of the law to 'the other guys'.

I find it amusing that two of the loudest anti-Trump voices on here are half-way around the world.

[Meh Gerbil]

I find it amusing that two of the loudest anti-Trump voices on here are half-way around the world.

I cannot imagine giving even the slightest consideration to another country's politics.

In fact, I try to distance myself (and fail) from American politics by trying to live in the reality of this place not really being my home.
One day I hope to be completely ignorant of politics - yes, I know I'm getting close.

[Mountain Man]

There is already evidence of collusion...

No there isn't. Unless you consider perfectly innocent, regular, and legal business associations to be "evidence of collusion".

Don't get your heart set on this, Jimmy, because it's going to be broken, just like it was on election night.

[One Bad Pig]

I cannot imagine giving even the slightest consideration to another country's politics.

In fact, I try to distance myself (and fail) from American politics by trying to live in the reality of this place not really being my home.
One day I hope to be completely ignorant of politics - yes, I know I'm getting close.

That's difficult for me when I work beside a Britisher who is unequivocally liberal in persuasion and the (vocal) guy a couple doors down is representing those suing the Trump organization for this 'n' that.

[Tassman]

I find it amusing that two of the loudest anti-Trump voices on here are half-way around the world.

...along with the 53% of Americans who disapprove of Trump's governance, the lowest approval ratings ever of a president in his first 100 days.