A Win For Religious Liberty!

[Gondwanaland]

So, people are admonished not to put on public displays for the purpose of self promotion - that goes to motive. I'm not sure that anyone other than the person concerned can declare the motive with enough certitude to make self appointment as a judge viable.

Bruh, he literally is going around doing photo ops.

[Mountain Man]

Bruh, he literally is going around doing photo ops.

And you're assuming without evidence that his motive is to honor himself instead of God.

[Cow Poke]

Perfectly in context and extremely applicable especially with him going around doing photo ops to further push his performative praying.

Look, I get it, it's hard for many of today's Christians to do anything other than be performative in their prayer to make themselves look better than others including other Christians. It's an addiction related to the persecution complex most of them have. It's the age of social media. The rest of us get it.

I love ya, man.

[rogue06]

So far...

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And now:

Source: Supreme Court backs coach in praying on field after games

The Supreme Court said Monday that a high school football coach who knelt and prayed on the field after games was protected by the Constitution, a decision that opponents said would open the door to “much more coercive prayer” in public schools.

The court ruled 6-3 for the coach with the conservative justices in the majority and the liberals in dissent. The case was the latest in a line of rulings for religious plaintiffs.

The case forced the justices to wrestle with how to balance the religious and free speech rights of teachers and coaches with the rights of students not to feel pressured into participating in religious practices. The liberal justices in the minority said there was evidence that Bremerton (Washington) High School Coach Joseph Kennedy’s prayers at the 50-yard-line had a coercive effect on students and allowed him to incorporate his “personal religious beliefs into a school event.”



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[Sparko]

The pendulum is swinging back to the right.

[Cow Poke]

The pendulum is swinging back to the right.

I remain cautiously optimistic.

[rogue06]

I remain cautiously optimistic.

Yup. Too much a cynic to get too excited yet.

[NorrinRadd]

Fair enough. I have no problem with someone praying as publicly as they want so long as they are not coercing others to do so, and I think that should be constitutionally protected.

(though I do wonder if we'd see a similar level of support from Christians if this was instead a Muslim coach doing his Maghrib Salah or Isha Salah on the 50 yard line.... I suspect the reaction would be a bit different)

Fine with me, as long as he doesn't conclude it with "Death to infidels!" or something similar.

I just find it entertaining to see them behave just like Jesus told them not to behave, praying in order to be seen. Performative prayer seems to be more and more common in Western Christianity. May be linked to Western Christianity's persecution complex in some way.

I'm not entirely comfortable with it, but that may be partly because I'm not by nature a demonstrative person. As others have noted, while one could view this as running afoul of Matt. 6:5-6, others can at least as legitimately see it as obeying Matt. 5:14-16. IIRC, you were a Christian, so you are well aware that we run into "tensions" and paradoxes (I feel like that should be "paradoces") often. My favorite is Prov. 26:4-5.

[Starlight]

Fine with me, as long as he doesn't conclude it with "Death to infidels!" or something similar.

Cos religions that teach Death to the Infidels are bad because of it, but those that teach eternal hellfire for the infidels are good?

[tabibito]

Bruh, he literally is going around doing photo ops.

To what purpose? Is the intent to promote Christian values (whether or not he has accurately assessed Christian values), or to indulge in self-aggrandisement?
Do you know enough about him or even about Christianity to make the call?

[Cow Poke]

Fine with me, as long as he doesn't conclude it with "Death to infidels!" or something similar.




I'm not entirely comfortable with it, but that may be partly because I'm not by nature a demonstrative person. As others have noted, while one could view this as running afoul of Matt. 6:5-6, others can at least as legitimately see it as obeying Matt. 5:14-16. IIRC, you were a Christian, so you are well aware that we run into "tensions" and paradoxes (I feel like that should be "paradoces") often. My favorite is Prov. 26:4-5.

THAT's IT!!!! He should be singing "This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine...".

(Why not paradii?)

[Sparko]

Jesus was preaching against hypocrisy and false humility, not about praying in public. Jesus prayed in public several times in the bible. As does every preacher in every church everywhere since the start of Christianity.

[Cow Poke]

Jesus was preaching against hypocrisy and false humility, not about praying in public. Jesus prayed in public several times in the bible. As does every preacher in every church everywhere since the start of Christianity.

Context.

[tabibito]

(Why not paradii?)

And female ones would be paradixen.

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[Cow Poke]

And female ones would be paradixen.

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[Sparko]

Bruh, he literally is going around doing photo ops.

now THAT I will agree is indeed wrong.

But him praying in public or private is his constitutional right. Heck even if he were a complete hypocrite and praying in public to Satan himself, it would still be his constitutional right. Him being a Christian has nothing to do with it.

[Gondwanaland]

Fine with me, as long as he doesn't conclude it with "Death to infidels!" or something similar.

Good to hear at least some are willing to be consistent

I'm not entirely comfortable with it, but that may be partly because I'm not by nature a demonstrative person. As others have noted, while one could view this as running afoul of Matt. 6:5-6, others can at least as legitimately see it as obeying Matt. 5:14-16. IIRC, you were a Christian, so you are well aware that we run into "tensions" and paradoxes (I feel like that should be "paradoces") often. My favorite is Prov. 26:4-5.

Again, Matt 5 is about good deeds not about publicly praying to be seen or making photo ops.

[Gondwanaland]

To what purpose? Is the intent to promote Christian values (whether or not he has accurately assessed Christian values), or to indulge in self-aggrandisement?
Do you know enough about him or even about Christianity to make the call?

For what purpose? To be seen kneeling praying in front of the SCOTUS building.