What is the issue over paid maternity leave?

[mossrose]

I wonder if mossrose will agree with you.

I agreed with him before I even read his post.

it was mossrose who wrote that "Gotta love moms who stay home and look after their own kids. Doing what God made them to do!" Perhaps you should address remarks about misogyny to her

Oh, really? Stop deflecting your crap on to other people. I absolutely love women who choose to be REAL women!

You know, the ones who love their husbands and children and choose to raise a family, even when it’s often hard going, without abdicating that responsibility to someone else after the first 3 months following the birth of a child.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

By the way, there are plenty of stay-at-home mothers NOT on welfare, who have planned their lives in such a way that they don't need to demand others pay for their childcare.

How bout you stop your routine long enough to deal with the facts?

This whole "force small business owners to pay people to stay home because they're pregnant" thread is as big a blunder as your goofy "Texas Bounty Hunter" thread.

Where did I ever mention "small business owners"?

[mossrose]

Who has disputed that fact?

However, for less affluent women and their partners such financial provisions may not be possible.

Although Sparko did seem to be suggesting a eugenics policy where only those who are financially stable, and do not require any state support, should breed.

Eugenics? Oh, you mean, like, abortion! Your favourite thing!

Got it.

[Cow Poke]

Why not if you have been so opposed to your government's military venture in Afghanistan?

Because that's not how it works, you dimwit. I've explained that in other posts.

Many people have gone to jail for their convictions.

As have I.

Why not did you not "Dare to be a Daniel"?

I choose my battles. And you're demonstrating your total ignorance of our tax system, as well as our legal system, our welfare system, our judicial system, our free enterprise system....

I don't believe I have run into any posters on this board as profoundly ignorant of things American than you.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

And if a woman and her partner don't have the means to support a child, they should not produce one.

So you are a eugenicist and consider that only those able to afford to do so should breed?

This issue is not about being too poor to support a child. Paid maternity leave would assist couples on lower incomes where 12 week loss of income would impact negatively on their family.

[Cow Poke]

Where did I ever mention "small business owners"?

You didn't, you twit -- it's part of your total ignorance of how employment works in the US.
And I have explained this over and over, while you lie about nobody actually addressing the issues.

Stop saying stupid stuff.

[Gondwanaland]

Where did I ever mention "small business owners"?

Just.... just wow.

Thank you for confirming you don't have a clue about the country you are trying to push this nonsense onto.

[Gondwanaland]

So you are a eugenicist and consider that only those able to afford to do so should breed?

This issue is not about being too poor to support a child. Paid maternity leave would assist couples on lower incomes where 12 week loss of income would impact negatively on their family.

Someone interested in paid maternity leave is welcome to seek out a job that provides that as one of the benefits. No one is stopping them.

[Mountain Man]

I note that you have also assiduously avoided addressing the comments that I quoted from the article that was linked by Mountain Man.

I find it amusing they you keep trying to rub that link in my face despite multiple attempts by multiple people to explain to you that the source doesn't say what you seem to think it says and doesn't support your position the way you think it does. I've basically retired from this thread because explaining facts to you is like water off a duck's back.

[Cow Poke]

Just.... just wow.

Thank you for confirming you don't have a clue about the country you are trying to push this nonsense onto.

EGGzackly --- and I have mentioned it a WHOLE BUNCH of times in the posts where she lied about nobody responding.
It is CRUCIAL to the whole "make other people pay" argument.

[Cow Poke]

Someone interested in paid maternity leave is welcome to seek out a job that provides that as one of the benefits. No one is stopping them.

OR, plan ahead and save up some money. OR, put off having a baby until such a time as they can afford it.

[Gondwanaland]

OR, plan ahead and save up some money. OR, put off having a baby until such a time as they can afford it.

What???? You mean ACTUAL literal planned parenthood?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I find it amusing they you keep trying to rub that link in my face despite multiple attempts by multiple people to explain to you that the source doesn't say what you seem to think it says and doesn't support your position the way you think it does. I've basically retired from this thread because explaining facts to you is like water off a duck's back.

You have not addressed the article's comments that address the potential benefits that [based on research] accrue from state provided home visits by nurses and other qualified medical personnel, and parental leave.

You have fixated on the differing ways data are collected.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You didn't

Then why introduce that topic?

Stop saying stupid stuff.

You might like to consider ceasing to write "stupid stuff".

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Just.... just wow.

Thank you for confirming you don't have a clue about the country you are trying to push this nonsense onto.

The issue is not specific to "small business owners". Thank you for confirming you have not actually read much of what I have written on this thread.