Pedophilia - The Next Taboo To Fall?

[Cow Poke]

Having never been a bride, I can't empathize with you on this one.

Having been the father of TWO brides, and paying for THREE weddings for them (one of them was widowed young), and dealing with NUMEROUS weddings as both a Pastor and consultant, I don't have to have BEEN a bride to have far more experience in this area than you.

LOL. Yeah, I guess in American weddings, the cake baker must attend the wedding and make a public declaration saying "I am X, baker of this cake....

Why do you always gotta go stoopid like this... I'm just going to ignore the rest of your post and see if you type anything that isn't rubbish.

[KingsGambit]

My wedding cost about $500.

[seer]

My wedding cost about $500.

My son made his own.

[Tassman]

The gay person could buy a cake and eat it and never complain, and everybody would be happy! Instead, he/she has to get the cake in a manner that inflicts difficulty on the baker.

OR, better still, the baker could obey the law, make the wedding cake and not discriminate against those who are legally entitled to marry under the law.

[Cow Poke]

OR, better still, the baker could obey the law, make the wedding cake and not discriminate against those who are legally entitled to marry under the law.

Well, yeah, but you're just an internet blogger who can't do anything about it, so

[Jaecp]

Well, yeah, but you're just an internet blogger who can't do anything about it, so

Luckily for Tass, he doesn't need to do anything since its the government's responsibility to enforce anti-discrimination statues.

And you do realize that the thing of Stars you called stoopid was that way on purpose, right? It's literally ridiculous, but it shows how ridiculous the bakers objection is

[Starlight]

And you do realize that the thing of Stars you called stoopid was that way on purpose, right? It's literally ridiculous, but it shows how ridiculous the bakers objection is

As we've learned on TWeb repeatedly, thought experiments go over their heads. e.g. the entire first 6 pages of this thread.

[The Thinker]

Uh... no. There is zero evidence that is the case, and in fact evidence it isn't the case. If that were true, then identical twins shouldn't have different sexualities, but they often do. One twin being homosexual is not a guarantee that the other is, which shuts down your claim.

To be fair, I believe if one twin is homosexual, the other has a higher chance of also being homosexual than two regular siblings, indicating there is some kind of genetic predisposition. But there is no evidence that someone is "born" that way, and there is ample evidence one is not; at best, the evidence indicates someone is born predisposed to a particular sexuality, which is dramatically different than being born with one.

If there is a genetic predisposition, they are born that way. It is not a "choice" like the way you can chose a red phone over a blue phone. Sexual orientation is not due to a simple gene, it is complex, but it is genetic/hormonal.

[KingsGambit]

If there is a genetic predisposition, they are born that way. It is not a "choice" like the way you can chose a red phone over a blue phone. Sexual orientation is not due to a simple gene, it is complex, but it is genetic/hormonal.

Where did Terraceth use the word "choice"?

I think the "choosing to be gay" thing is a strawman version of what most conservative Christians believe. I heavily doubt anybody here is maintaining that people woke up one day and said, "You know what? I think I want to be attracted to men for the rest of my life."

[One Bad Pig]

As we've learned on TWeb repeatedly, thought experiments go over their heads. e.g. the entire first 6 pages of this thread.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Yes, that MUST be it. Conservatives, at least on TWeb, are all blithering idiots.

[Cow Poke]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Yes, that MUST be it. Conservatives, at least on TWeb, are all blithering idiots.

This is about me, isn't it?

[Tassman]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Yes, that MUST be it. Conservatives, at least on TWeb, are all blithering idiots.

Poe's Law! Just as well you told us it was sarcasm, otherwise we wouldn't have known.

[Jaecp]

Where did Terraceth use the word "choice"?

I think the "choosing to be gay" thing is a strawman version of what most conservative Christians believe. I heavily doubt anybody here is maintaining that people woke up one day and said, "You know what? I think I want to be attracted to men for the rest of my life."

How would you describe that belief then?

The general liberal position being that its innate the conservative position would be that it's not. If it's not, then is it unfair to refer to it as a choice? How does one have a non-innate non-choice exactly, you know?

[Starlight]

I think the "choosing to be gay" thing is a strawman version of what most conservative Christians believe.

"Being gay is a choice" is one of the most common things conservative Christians say on the topic of homosexuality, along with "homosexuality is a sin". The two ideas of them are usually linked, because of an assumption that sin requires an element of choice. If homosexuality is to be sinful it therefore must be a choice.

I've observed it to be fairly common for conservative Christians not to put in a great deal of thought to what those words actually mean. They can often be fairly vague on the meaning of "homosexuality" - oscillating wildly when pressed between meanings of attraction, identity, and behavior. Commonly they don't appear to have given any thought at all to what they mean by the word 'choice', and often seem very confused when pressed on it.

I heavily doubt anybody here is maintaining that people woke up one day and said, "You know what? I think I want to be attracted to men for the rest of my life."

Examples like that are regularly used by liberals to mock the phrase "being gay is a choice", because once you actually give 15 seconds thought to unpacking the phrase you quickly realize that what it describes sounds nonsensical.

[seer]

"Being gay is a choice" is one of the most common things conservative Christians say on the topic of homosexuality, along with "homosexuality is a sin". The two ideas of them are usually linked, because of an assumption that sin requires an element of choice. If homosexuality is to be sinful it therefore must be a choice.

I don't know if orientation is necessarily a choice, but acting on it certainly is.