Hillary's Troubles Solidify

[Cow Poke]

Is this in your imagination?

Nope

Cos I've watched plenty of video of reporters chatting to the average supporters of various candidates at events, and the Sanders supporters are generally the most coherent about why they're supporting their candidate.

Meh

[Bill the Cat]

Is this in your imagination?

Cos I've watched plenty of video of reporters chatting to the average supporters of various candidates at events, and the Sanders supporters are generally the most coherent about why they're supporting their candidate.

Visit a college campus in the US, Star. You'll see Bernie supporters. I have 2 girls in separate colleges in Virginia, plus surrogate kids (friends of my daughters) at others. Most of the kids at their schools are Bernie supporters strictly because he promised free college.

[Starlight]

Visit a college campus in the US, Star. You'll see Bernie supporters.

Yes. This is because Top GOP Pollster: Young Americans Are Terrifyingly Liberal. The millennial generation, and even more so the generation following it is extremely extremely liberal to an extent the world has pretty much never seen before. This is primarily a result of the internet, and of globalization. (It's quite an interesting discussion as to exactly why the internet and globalization cause liberalism, which it could be worth starting a new thread for). Suffice it to say that the generational difference in ideology between baby boomers and millennials is one of the biggest in the history of the world, and millennials are really really liberal.

As a result, they really like Sanders, because he's an order of magnitude more liberal than any other major US politician.

Most of the kids at their schools are Bernie supporters strictly because he promised free college.

The idea of free college appeals to them too, I'm sure. Just like the idea of tax cuts for the wealthy appeals to rich people. Just like fossil fuel subsidies appeals to oil companies. Everyone likes it when the policies of politicians happen to serve their own interests.

[Cow Poke]

The idea of free college appeals to them too, I'm sure...

Because it opens the door to all kinds of other FREE stuff. A chicken in every pot, a 20 hour work week at $15/hour miniumum, 36 month maternity leave for him, her, and shim, free medical and dental.....

.... and nobody has the heart to tell the little darlings that Daddy Warbucks can move his money offshore, even more than he already has, and there won't be nobody to pay for all these freebies.

[KingsGambit]

My younger brother attended a Democratic caucus in the state he lived in at the time. He felt very disheartened by the mob mentality of the Sanders supporters. What blew him away was that the Sanders speaker said, with a straight face, that Sanders had more foreign policy experience than the Secretary of State, and the Sanders mob cheered him on.

[seanD]

Because it opens the door to all kinds of other FREE stuff. A chicken in every pot, a 20 hour work week at $15/hour miniumum, 36 month maternity leave for him, her, and shim, free medical and dental.....

.... and nobody has the heart to tell the little darlings that Daddy Warbucks can move his money offshore, even more than he already has, and there won't be nobody to pay for all these freebies.

Well, technically central bank prints the money. At least that's what they been doing, hence the reason we're 19 trillion in the hole. How long that can last is anyone's guess. As long as foreign investors continue to hold US debt, and as long as we don't tick them off, like Saudi Arabia lol.

[Starlight]

Because it opens the door to all kinds of other FREE stuff.

CP, most millennials see all the riches that there are in the world and think "wow, there's more than enough wealth here for everyone. So how come everyone isn't getting free stuff all the time? Why are the rich people hording it all for themselves?" They see the starving children in Africa, they see the poor people in the streets, and they see the rich people in their mansions and Trump towers, and they feel sickened and think "wow, those rich people are so selfish, hording all that wealth while children die." So, yes, they think a lot of free stuff should be given away to everyone, because they can see that the world clearly can afford that.

A chicken in every pot, a 20 hour work week at $15/hour miniumum, 36 month maternity leave for him, her, and shim, free medical and dental.....

Exactly. Yes. They think everyone should have those sorts of things. And they talk to their friends online in Denmark, etc, and those friends say "wow, your country doesn't have those things? How come? My country does. Geez, you're really letting those rich people rip y'all off by hording all that money for themselves." And they get angry at the injustice.

and nobody has the heart to tell the little darlings that Daddy Warbucks can move his money offshore

Oh, they hear the propaganda people for the rich saying that, and it makes them angry: "So you're telling me, that the rich people are basically holding us all to ransom? Threatening us with moving all their money elsewhere? So first they exploit the poor and steal all that money, and now they hold us to ransom, threatening us should we implement policies that are fair and just? Well then, let's go after them!!!" It makes them more angry and more determined to bring the rich to account for their crimes, not less.

and there won't be nobody to pay for all these freebies.

As if the rich are currently paying for freebies, rather than hiding all their ill-gotten gains in overseas tax havens. Getting them to pay for anything is like extracting teeth.

[Cow Poke]

As if the rich are currently paying for freebies,

Gosh, how stupid of me... it's the GUBMINT paying for all the goodies! Yeah, that's it!

rather than hiding all their ill-gotten gains in overseas tax havens. Getting them to pay for anything is like extracting teeth.

Bernie wants to bleed the rich to death. They didn't get rich by being stupid. They can afford lawyers and tax people and will find a way to keep from getting skinned. What's really stupid is the people who think they can just increase the taxes, and the rich are gonna say, "gosh, yeah, ya got me -- here's my checkbook!"

[Cow Poke]

Well, technically central bank prints the money.

Sure, and like any other Ponzi scheme, that can only go on for so long.

At least that's what they been doing, hence the reason we're 19 trillion in the hole. How long that can last is anyone's guess. As long as foreign investors continue to hold US debt, and as long as we don't tick them off, like Saudi Arabia lol.

I think the rubber band is stretched really tight, and something's gotta give.

[Starlight]

What blew him away was that the Sanders speaker said, with a straight face, that Sanders had more foreign policy experience than the Secretary of State, and the Sanders mob cheered him on.

I suspect some important things in the phrasing of this are being lost in the retelling.

Clinton has made some major foreign policy errors. She's been, on the whole, particularly bad at foreign policy. Sanders, on the whole, has been pretty much on the money on foreign policy. It's no stretch at all to say that Sanders is better on his current foreign policies than Clinton is, and has historically been better on foreign policy than she has. It's totally reasonable for a Sanders supporter to attack Clinton on her foreign policy mistakes, and it's commonly done.

IMO, what Clinton's foreign policy experience teaches us is that nobody should let her anywhere near foreign policy again. And I would say exactly the same thing about Dick Cheney.

[Cow Poke]

My younger brother attended a Democratic caucus in the state he lived in at the time. He felt very disheartened by the mob mentality of the Sanders supporters. What blew him away was that the Sanders speaker said, with a straight face, that Sanders had more foreign policy experience than the Secretary of State, and the Sanders mob cheered him on.

Reminds me of the MANGOWA story --- politician visits an India Reservation to ask for votes, and makes his "chicken in every pot" speech - the Indians cheer with MANGOWA after nearly every point, so the politician thinks he's doing really well.

After the speech, the Chief wants to show the politician the Chief's prize bull, and as they walk toward the gate, the Chief says, "be careful not to step in the mangowa".

[Terraceth]

Well, technically central bank prints the money. At least that's what they been doing, hence the reason we're 19 trillion in the hole. How long that can last is anyone's guess. As long as foreign investors continue to hold US debt, and as long as we don't tick them off, like Saudi Arabia lol.

Sadly, it's become abundantly clear that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are actually interested in lowering the debt.

[Jaecp]

Fair enough. I'll assume all the Sanders' supporters at the Trump rallies I saw interviewed don't represent your typical Sanders supporter. And TYT? Dude, seriously.

It's popular among Sanders supporters. I'm not flogging a viewpoint here, I'm trying to give you guys a broader picture because I'm in a position to know this stuff more than most people on this site, particularly people in this thread that have anti knowledge.

As far as the protestors? Yeah. Most people arent looking for a black eye from the supporters of America's premier wannabe fascist.

[Starlight]

I think TYT has had a particularly huge effect on Sanders' success, and I don't think he'd have done nearly as well without it. The vast majority of millennials get most of their news from online sources, and TYT is one of the biggest and most popular online news sources. In video footage I've seen of TYT reporters turning up at Sanders rallies, the majority of people seem to recognize them and chants of "TYT!" tend to start.

[Jaecp]

Say what you will about Cenk, but he tells it like he sees it. There's no filter. My people adore that. The fake, corporate nonsense that comprises 24hour news is just ... straight vomit with the occasional exception like Maddow or whenever Shep Smith goes off script.