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[Psychic Missile]

Non-conforming behavior... you know, the same behaviors that are being used to artificially differentiate biological sex and gender.

Many trans people and parents of trans people report non-conforming behavior in childhood. When and how exactly do you think these changes take place?

No I am not.



Behaviors, here in this study it is meditation, alter white matter. So it was YOU that is wrong. Neuroplasticity shows the brain is shaped by experiences, which casts major doubt on the brain studies that claim the brain composition causes transgender or homosexual behaviors.

Bill, you are talking about connectivity. I am talking about the amount of tissue. There's a difference. Neuroplasticity has limitations.

So, just as long as the mental illness doesn't result in harm, it's ok to be mentally ill?

Of course. That's how medicine works.

It isn't contrast to plastic surgery or BIDD. There's only 2 things that can be added or removed for people who want to change their plumbing.

You're not disagreeing with me. People with plastic surgery addiction or BIDD have many transitory goals. People with gender dysphoria have one goal.

[Psychic Missile]

If they are uncontested, then they are accepted as true. derp.

I agree?

LOL, yeah just keep the blinders on. Hand wave away any inconvenient sources. My points stand, your objections are transparently self-denial.

I will refer you to Matthew 7:3.

[Psychic Missile]

I read the first two sources. You literally added to the argument. Can you not accept that suicide is higher in the gay and trans population? The first two did a study on the gay and trans population. Factors that contribute to suicide rate include: Drug and Alcohol abuse, Mental illness (which is in fat a bit higher in those that identify as homosexual or transexual) and past trauma.

I absolutely accept that suicide is higher in the gay and trans population. I asked for proof that post-HRT/SRS transpeople commonly commit suicide out of regret.

[Cow Poke]

I absolutely accept that suicide is higher in the gay and trans population. I asked for proof that post-HRT/SRS transpeople commonly commit suicide out of regret.

Unfortunately, you can't ask them, cause, well... they're dead.

[Psychic Missile]

Unfortunately, you can't ask them, cause, well... they're dead.

That's what medical studies are for.

[Sparko]

I agree?

you were questioning my sources and calling them "uncontested" - thus the "derp"

I will refer you to Matthew 7:3.

sure thing.

[Cow Poke]

That's what medical studies are for.

And they have to make all kinds of assumptions, and the ones that are pro-gay will find different results than the ones that are conservative.

In scanning just a few from both sides, it seems that the biggest assumption among the pro-gay crowed is that they - particularly trans-gendered youth - are rejected by their families, and lacking that family structure, they 'go homeless', and this leads to suicide.

[Psychic Missile]

you were questioning my sources and calling them "uncontested" - thus the "derp"

sure thing.

I questioned your second two sources. I called your first two sources uncontested.

[Cow Poke]

I will refer you to Matthew 7:3.

I'll refer you to John 3:16.

[Sparko]

I absolutely accept that suicide is higher in the gay and trans population. I asked for proof that post-HRT/SRS transpeople commonly commit suicide out of regret.

I don't believe that is what I said. I said that TG often regret their operations. And I provided a source for that.

[Psychic Missile]

And they have to make all kinds of assumptions, and the ones that are pro-gay will find different results than the ones that are conservative.

In scanning just a few from both sides, it seems that the biggest assumption among the pro-gay crowed is that they - particularly trans-gendered youth - are rejected by their families, and lacking that family structure, they 'go homeless', and this leads to suicide.

I think there are enough studies out there that I wouldn't consider those problems assumptions.

[Psychic Missile]

I don't believe that is what I said. I said that TG often regret their operations. And I provided a source for that.

That's fine, I wish you'd give some proof of that. You provided two uncontested sources, one source that concerned the standards of a British government agency, and one personal website. I would have been much happier with at least one medical study.

[Cow Poke]

I think there are enough studies out there that I wouldn't consider those problems assumptions.

Do you, now? And those studies would show that these are the only problems?

[Psychic Missile]

Do you, now? And those studies would show that these are the only problems?

I don't know about any specific study, but I would agree that there are other problems facing LGBT people than being disowned by their families.

[Cow Poke]

I don't know about any specific study, but I would agree that there are other problems facing LGBT people than being disowned by their families.

I don't think, by any stretch of the imagination, that transgender just "happens".... and I don't think it's fair to assume that a family rejects a member simply because they have gender confusion. Like any other family crisis, it evolves over time, and there are often multiple issues.