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Originally posted by Outis View PostWhy not? Theft is theft. (And broad-brush generalization is broad-brush generalization.)That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by lao tzu View Post"If you want to speak English, go back to England."That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIt's like a cashier skimming from the till versus a hostile corporate takeover of the entire business. They are only comparable in that both are taking something from one party to another.
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Originally posted by Outis View PostAh, so the corporate takeover is acceptable because they succeeded, but the skimming cashier is not. Good to have you clarify your stance on that one, Bill.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Outis View PostDrop-in-the-bucket compared to those who emigrate to America, and drop-in-the-ocean compared to those who stay at home.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostOh, no. I didn't mean to suggest that.
What the Europeans did was atrocious, but it is entirely different from what the illegals are doing today. An apple is still a fruit, after all, even when you try to compare it to oranges...
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Originally posted by Outis View PostI know, but imprecise grammar left the opening, and I couldn't resist.
As I tried to point out earlier, this is a broad-brush generalization. Some immigrants come to the US to milk the system, yes. Some do not. Do you anything even resembling hard data on whose doing what, or is it sufficient to you to accuse the whole for the sins of the part?
http://asr.sagepub.com/content/78/4/574.abstractThat's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostUnderstand that I do not mean to imply that the sole reason is to intentionally bilk the system, but it is a necessary side-effect of their moral justification for breaking US immigration law. Whether their primary goal is to take resources that they are not legally entitled to, the fact remains that a vast majority do just that.
http://asr.sagepub.com/content/78/4/574.abstract
I'm not sure how you're making that into "bilking the system."
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Originally posted by Outis View PostBill, have you actually read the article? The article makes much of the facts that the decision to illegally migrate is based on a complexity of factors, of which "bilking the system" does not appear in the list. Indeed, the article makes quite clear that crime rates for illegal immigrants are lower than for citizens. With the exception of the initial decision to cross the border, immigrants tend to be very law abiding, moral, and work oriented.
I'm not sure how you're making that into "bilking the system."The State. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.
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Originally posted by Outis View PostIndeed, the article makes quite clear that crime rates for illegal immigrants are lower than for citizens."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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