RIP Stephen

[Duragizer]

So Jorge will believe just about anything, so long as it isn't true.

I knew that already. Still, nice to have these things clarified.

[Roy]

The late Anthony Flew, PhD Philosopher - one of the premier Atheists of the 20th century - was one such individual. I followed him for decades and ...

... yet still can't get his name right.

[Roy]

All of the evidence indicates that the 9/11 event was an event orchestrated by certain individuals in several nations including the USA, Saudi Arabia, Israel and possibly others. It is important to note that it was "by certain individuals" in those nations, not (necessarily) by the entire nation itself.

That clearly contradicts the mainstream view that the 9/11 event was an event orchestrated by certain individuals in several nations including the USA, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and possibly others.

is clearly too much of a coward to say anything about his conspiracy theories other than someone did something somewhere. By a strange co-incidence, the explanation "someone did something somewhere" is the basis of Intelligent Design Theory.

[Roy]

JFK -- Official narrative is a LIE to appease the ignorant masses while concealing the crime.
9/11 -- Official narrative is a LIE to appease the ignorant masses while concealing the crimes.
moon landing -- 'probably' happened but there are many serious unanswered questions.
age of the earth -- Official narrative contradicts the Word of God; ergo, giga/mega-years cannot be true AND this is supported by hundreds of separate lines of tangible evidence and sound logic.

The common thread in all of these is the complete lack of any substance.

What happened to JFK?
What happened on 9/11?
What questions about the moon landings remain unanswered?
What lines of tangible evidence?

doesn't say. He is too much of a coward to present anything concrete, anything that might be dismantled, anything that might lead to him having to reconsider his views.

[TheLurch]

anything that might lead to him having to reconsider his views.

You have evidence that he's ever reconsidered his views?

[rogue06]

You have evidence that he's ever reconsidered his views?

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[Roy]

You have evidence that he's ever reconsidered his views?

I have lots of evidence that as soon as any of his views are challenged with facts he refuses from then on to discuss them...

[oxmixmudd]

I have lots of evidence that as soon as any of his views are challenged with facts he refuses from then on to discuss them...

The end of which being he now gwnerally simply posts drive by fashion, there being so little of his point of view that remains unchallenged.

Jim

[rogue06]

The end of which being he now gwnerally simply posts drive by fashion, there being so little of his point of view that remains unchallenged.

Jim

I think Jorge essentially views all the evidence against the YEC model as being some sort of test from God

[carpedm9587]

No, no, no! The phrase "eternal consequences" is NOT "up to me". You, me and all will face eternal consequences based on the truth (regardless of the truth that you hold). In your view that 'truth' is eternity in a grave. In my view it is eternity in heaven or hell. In any and all cases it is eternity "somewhere".

No, not exactly. I do not think I will "spend eternity in a grave." I think I will simply cease to be. My body be cremated after any organ donations are complete, and my ashes disposed of as the surviving members of my family determine. This planet is not "eternal," so any grave is eventually going to simply disappear.

"irrational, unreasonable, illogical, and lacking in sense" is deluding oneself that it is possible to escape an eternal future "somewhere". Now, if what you mean (which I believe is the case) is that you do not believe that the person will be conscious of that eternity then that is another matter. In any event, my position (namely, it will be heaven or hell and you will be conscious) has far, FAR more support than the Materialist's position. That's what you are betting against. I won't wish you luck 'coz luck ain't gonna help ya.

Jorge

No - it's not. The evidence is fairly compelling for my worldview. It is not that I "believe the person will not be conscious of that eternity," it is that I believe there will no longer exist a person to BE conscious. And I'm not looking for "luck," my friend. I'll be fine with whatever happens.

[carpedm9587]

I never said "ALL of you". But I would bet that the more intelligent and honest among you have serious doubts and ask those aforementioned questions, even if only to yourself.

You would lose that bet. Of course, based on the phrasing of your sentence, I think that will probably mean that you will consider me either unintelligent or dishonest.

The late Anthony Flew, PhD Philosopher - one of the premier Atheists of the 20th century - was one such individual. I followed him for decades and then, by the grace of God, a few years before his death he realized that he had been wrong and publicly confessed it. He is one of my (ex)Atheist heroes for his intellectual integrity and intelligence.

If what it takes for you to consider someone as having "intellectual integrity and intelligence" is that they agree with your worldview, then I am definitely going to be a disappointment.

Listen, the stakes will never get any higher and man-oh-man to be wrong on this one is the ETERNAL MOTHER of all "Oops, I done screwed up!"

BTW, I too play pool but no beer for me, thanks.
I can probably beat the tar out of you in pool. Just sayin' ...

Hehe

Jorge

It is possible you could. I have not played in a bit. Should you ever wander near Vermont, let me know and we can plan for a game. I'll be happy to drink the beer.

[TheLurch]

Climate change -- that "climate changes" is an observable fact. That the changes are "bad" and due to man's activities is an agenda-driven LIE meant to expand economic and political control of the masses by a ruling class that consider themselves above all laws.

Just out of curiosity, how do you square this with the fact that the oil companies, in federal court, just acknowledged that the scientists have gotten climate change right?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/22/1...-chevron-exxon

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

OMG, the oil companies must be in on it!

[carpedm9587]

Just out of curiosity, how do you square this with the fact that the oil companies, in federal court, just acknowledged that the scientists have gotten climate change right?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/22/1...-chevron-exxon

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

OMG, the oil companies must be in on it!

Wow - I completely missed that news item. So now I have to wonder how the other climate-deniers (of various stripes) here will respond to that.

[Jorge]

As seen from above you called that one.

We are so lucky to have Jorge. How else would we know about all the mistakes in the Bible if Jorge wasn't here to correct them and inform us what they "really" meant.

For instance, in I Corinthians 15:14, where Paul informs us that

And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.

Obviously what he really meant to say was

And if Christ has not been raised and if life changes over time and the creation is more than a few thousand years old, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.

Likewise, when Paul informs us in Romans 10:9 that

because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

We're blessed to have Jorge "correct" Paul by adding what he accidentally omitted.

because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead and disagree that the creation is more than a few thousand years old and that life changes and adapts over time, you will be saved.

Similarly when Luke tells us in Acts 16:31 that Paul and Silas told their jailer that...

...they "really" meant to say

and that life does not change and adapt over time and that the creation is only a few thousand years old

WOW! As W. Pauli would say, "Not even wrong!"

Jorge

[Jorge]

In the past Jorge has indicated support for geocentrism but quickly backed off when questioned. Now we can add it and flat earth as things that Jorge believes are valid concepts.

Misrepresentation! So, what else is new? Nothing!

Jorge