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Originally posted by seer View PostNo it isn't, it is based on the teachings and resurrection of the single most influential religious figure in human history, Christ Jesus. I'm good with that.That however does not mean that rape would necessarily undermine the social order as you claimed. It doesn't with primates. And that was your whole argument as to why rape was immoral or wrong. So you really have no good argument for why rape is immoral.But it is not religion that is causing the violence. And you know that.
That is one of the most stupid things you have said. I bet China and North Korea are very cohesive. But back to my point, you would have no problem upsetting the social order for causes you agree with. So your whole argument about something being wrong or immoral because it disturbed the social order is pure nonsense - you don't even believe it yourself.
Originally posted by seer View PostAnd the Europeans took the Americas from the natives - and the Europeans prospered because of it...Last edited by Tassman; 05-23-2017, 10:28 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou are repeating yourself. It is about each of us. you. me. the guy next door.Not when you steal from another group. Just look at street gangs. They steal all the time.
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Of course, you are an atheist, that is what you have to say.
'Morality' is a code of rules. And ALLour social order, as you well know, NOT China or Nth Korea. Why are so dishonest?
But that is not the case, factually. In totalitarian systems like the ones I referenced you can have cohesion without human rights. Remember you were defending the godless left, that even though they do upset the social order in my country you applaud that. Your whole argument suggesting that something is immoral or wrong because it effects social cohesion fails. Human rights are not necessary for order, and you hypocritically are more than happy to accept upsetting the social order if it is a cause that you support.
Yes the Christian colonialists stole the land of the American natives and destroyed their culture. Gotta love Christian values.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMorality is about how each of us modifies or restrains our behaviour to enable our participation in group living, NOT
And yet the gang thinks they are not doing anything immoral. That is the group. The group thinks that stealing is just fine. It is just some other group that says what they did was wrong. Nazi's thought murdering jews was just fine. So I guess what they did was not immoral because their society said it was OK, right?
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat do you mean, it is on Tass or you to show that rape would have a real effect on social cohesion.
Since you have produced no evidence to support your claim, choosing instead to try to shift the burden of evidence, there is no reason to believe you.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostYou were the one that claimed rape has no effect on social cohesion in primates.
Since you have produced no evidence to support your claim, choosing instead to try to shift the burden of evidence, there is no reason to believe you.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut that is not the case, factually. In totalitarian systems like the ones I referenced you can have cohesion without human rights.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostYou can. But can you have as much cohesion? Historical frequency of revolutions and civil wars suggest otherwise.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou were the one that claimed rape has no effect on social cohesion in primates.
Originally posted by TassmanOriginally posted by seerAny initiation of coercion or violence against another person demonstrably damages the social fabric of the group.That is bull Roy, it was Tass who made the claim that an act would be wrong or immoral if it undermines the social order, that is on him to demonstrate.
But I'm quite happy that you've chosen instead to maintain your usual tactics of falsehood and misrepresentation. You are a great example of Christian standards.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by seer View PostHow can you quantify that?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostOk, here is a direct quote of what you actually said:
But it doesn't with our primate cousins.
An honest person might try to support that claim that violent acts such as rape do not damage social cohesion in primates, rather than denying they made it.
If he made that claim - which I don't believe, since you frequently misrepresent positions - then it is his responsibility to support it. And it is equally your responsibility to support the claim you made.
But I'm quite happy that you've chosen instead to maintain your usual tactics of falsehood and misrepresentation. You are a great example of Christian standards.
That is a lie Roy, I did not misrepresent what Tass claimed in this thread, never mind the fact that we have had this very discussion in the past, nor did I say anything false.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Roy View PostBy studying history, which you obviously haven't since you don't know about the various revolts and revolutions that have disrupted Chinese society over the centuries.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course, you are an atheist, that is what you have to say.
Did all this just go over your head? You said: The social order can never be cohesive whilst sections of the community are deprived of full civil rights.But that is not the case, factually. In totalitarian systems like the ones I referenced you can have cohesion without human rights
Remember you were defending the godless left, that even though they do upset the social order in my country you applaud that.
Those are not Christian values Tass, and you know it.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHas nothing to do with being in a group. Are you saying that if you lived alone outside of a group then it would be OK to rape a woman?And yet the gang thinks they are not doing anything immoral. That is the group. The group thinks that stealing is just fine. It is just some other group that says what they did was wrong. Nazi's thought murdering jews was just fine. So I guess what they did was not immoral because their society said it was OK, right?
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