Bill Nye The Idiot Guy

[TheLurch]

Could we please, please get this out of natural science?

[Tassman]

So back to my question: If you are not part of a group, and thus don't have any morals to rule your behavior, is it OK for you to rape a women? Or to steal for someone?

You are wrong. We are born into a particular culture and the culture shapes us from childhood onward.

[Sparko]

You are wrong. We are born into a particular culture and the culture shapes us from childhood onward.

But we belong to different groups and societies, Tassy. And at various time and places there have been societies with very different morals. If you belong to a group that says rape is not immoral, does that make rape OK? If you belong to a society that says gassing jews to death is good, is it good?

[Tassman]

But we belong to different groups and societies, Tassy. And at various time and places there have been societies with very different morals. If you belong to a group that says rape is not immoral, does that make rape OK? If you belong to a society that says gassing jews to death is good, is it good?

[Sparko]

So you are saying that it was good for the Nazi's to gas the Jews because they thought it was moral? And it was good for Vikings to rape the women of the villages they invaded because they thought that it was fun and moral?

[Tassman]

So you are saying that it was good for the Nazi's to gas the Jews because they thought it was moral? And it was good for Vikings to rape the women of the villages they invaded because they thought that it was fun and moral?

Again, you are confusing how

[Sparko]

Again, you are confusing how

again you are side-stepping the question and obvious conclusion to your previous statement because you realize that what you said was stupid as hell. So you want to change the subject.

So if a society like Nazi Germany decides that it is good and moral to gas Jews, is it moral (not speaking legal, but moral)?

Morality IS about "good or bad" Tassy. That is what it is.

[Tassman]

again you are side-stepping the question and obvious conclusion to your previous statement because you realize that what you said was stupid as hell. So you want to change the subject.

So if a society like Nazi Germany decides that it is good and moral to gas Jews, is it moral (not speaking legal, but moral)?

Morality IS about "good or bad" Tassy. That is what it is.

The argument, which

[Sparko]

The argument, which

repeating yourself?

Basically you claimed that morals are just arbitrary rules of behavior made up by societies to get people to get along better. Yet when I bring up an example of just such a thing (gassing Jews) you realize that there is more to it than that. That there is an objective standard that says "murdering people in gas chambers is bad, even if that society thinks it is good)" and all of a sudden, morality is no longer societally based. But because you are a dishonest moron, you can't admit that you are wrong, so you try to deflect and ignore the fact that you know that you are wrong, and when that doesn't work, you go into repeat mode.

It's fascinating to watch this happen. That is why I keep doing it to you. You never learn. Of course, you could just say, "well I was wrong" and it would be done with and you would actually get some respect out of the interaction, but you can't do that because of your ego. You are my puppet Tassman. You jump when I pull your strings.

Dance Tassy, Dance.

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[seer]

Dance Tassy, Dance.

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Don't be to hard on Tassbro, the laws of nature determined him to spout nonsense...

[Roy]

Basically you claimed that morals are just arbitrary rules of behavior made up by societies to get people to get along better.

Some moral frameworks work better than others and will persist.

[Tassman]

repeating yourself?

Basically you claimed that morals are just arbitrary rules of behavior made up by societies to get people to get along better.

Our rules of behaviour are grounded in our evolved instincts to maintain a cohesive society and they develop and change over time.

Now quit evading and support your assertion that Where does this "individual morality" supposedly originate?

[Sparko]

Our rules of behaviour are grounded in our evolved instincts to maintain a cohesive society and they develop and change over time.

Now quit evading and support your assertion that Where does this "individual morality" supposedly originate?

me evading? I have been explaining myself repeatedly while you just repeat your bald assertions and stick your own foot in your mouth, then try to change the topic.

Morals are behaviors with values of good and bad attached. We do the good ones because we want to be better people. More better people makes a more better society. since societies don't magically appear and then hand out morals, it is common sense and logic that the moral start with the people and then the people become a society with common morals.

[Tassman]

Morals are behaviors with values of good and bad attached.

Morals are derivatives of self-preservation and procreation in every case and are a consequence of natural selection. They are naturally built into us, because those morals were beneficial to the breeding and survival of our species as social animals.

We do the good ones because we want to be better people. More better people makes a more better society. since societies don't magically appear and then hand out morals, it is common sense and logic that the moral start with the people and then the people become a society with common morals.

It's not just a question of wanting to be "better people". Morality evolved in primate societies as a method of restraining individual selfishness and building more cooperative groups. For social species such as us, the benefits of being part of an altruistic group outweigh the benefits of individualism.

[JimL]

So you are saying that it was good for the Nazi's to gas the Jews because they thought it was moral? And it was good for Vikings to rape the women of the villages they invaded because they thought that it was fun and moral?

The question boils down to what is meant by the term good with respect to human beings. I believe its in your bible as well as other ancient texts from different cultures. How you want to be treated by others is what you would call good. Therefore the same would have to apply to others with respect to the way you treat them. Its in your best interests for others to treat you well, and its in the others best interests that you treat them well. If you don't want to be gased, which would not be good for you, then to gas others could not be defined as good either, because to do so would be a contradiction of the term.
Your question is confused. Its like asking "Is it good for me to murder someone, because I believe its good?" No, because what is good for others has nothing to do with what you believe is good for others, what is good concerning your treatment of others is the same as that which is good concerning their treatment of you. Otherwise you would be contradicting the definition of the term depending upon who you are applying it to.