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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI am the one who claimed that.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostBut they don't have to dismiss certain individuals as merely "men who get fake boobs and put on a dress."
And besides, you're a weenie.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by fm93 View Post--instead of attempting to give respect to a lifetime of painful internal struggle.
He appears to be a very confused individual, and chopping off body parts and adding others doesn't change that.
A quick blurb on the net summing up Jenner's life says "Bruce Jenner won a gold medal in the decathlon in the 1976 Olympic Games. He also set a new world record for the decathlon, with 8,176 points. After the Olympics, he used the fame he had won to develop a new career as an entrepreneur, product spokesperson, and motivational speaker."
You make it sound like he got up every morning agonizing over the notion that he should be a woman, while living as a husband to (over a period of time) three different women.
What's wrong with your brain?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, and I pretty much agree. But I didn't say it.
Talk about jackassery, dishonesty, and jackassery.
If you don't want to seriously discuss things, just don't respond. Please don't pretend that you're interested when you're clearly not.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, during this "lifetime of painful internal struggle" (do you write romance novels?) Bruce was married at least THREE TIMES to... WOMEN.
And as of the April interview with Diane Sawyer, he was STILL saying that he preferred the personal pronoun "he".
A quick blurb on the net summing up Jenner's life says "Bruce Jenner won a gold medal in the decathlon in the 1976 Olympic Games. He also set a new world record for the decathlon, with 8,176 points. After the Olympics, he used the fame he had won to develop a new career as an entrepreneur, product spokesperson, and motivational speaker."Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostSo even though I correctly represented your view, you gratuitously attacked me
with juvenile name-calling
over the technicality of not explicitly having made the claim (even though you very obviously made the claim in an implicit manner).
Talk about jackassery, dishonesty, and jackassery.
If you don't want to seriously discuss things, just don't respond. Please don't pretend that you're interested when you're clearly not.
Jenner has always been attracted to women.
And in the interview, Jenner claimed to have used athletics as an escape and distraction from that identity crisis.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI don't take you seriously
I would think it's obvious that I have been taking you seriously. I do this because I've read what you've written about religious topics, and I admire the wisdom, clarity, and heart that you exhibit when you talk about those things. I believe you're a great man, genuinely behaving as Christ would've behaved, even if I don't fully agree with you on those issues. And so I have great respect for you--I mean this sincerely.
But then there are some social/political topics that you comment on, and I just don't see that aforementioned wisdom, clarity and heart. And so I attempt to have serious discussions with you, precisely because I have that aforementioned respect for you and believe that those good qualities are still there, just waiting to be brought out--but in return, I'm met with you largely ignoring me and refusing to engage seriously or civilly with my posts.
This baffles me to a large extent and saddens me to a smaller but still existent extent. I would very much like to be on good terms with you and be able to laugh AND discuss things seriously with you--but you don't even give me that chance. It would be so much easier to just ignore you and dismiss you the way you've done to me if I thought you were a jerk all the time. But I know you're not, and that's why I'm baffled.
So at the risk of incurring more dismissal and disrespect, what must I do to be taken seriously by you?Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostMaking a courageous choice is not necessarily making a good choice.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostThen if you don't mind, allow me to humor you for a few more paragraphs, alright?
I would think it's obvious that I have been taking you seriously. I do this because I've read what you've written about religious topics, and I admire the wisdom, clarity, and heart that you exhibit when you talk about those things. I believe you're a great man, genuinely behaving as Christ would've behaved, even if I don't fully agree with you on those issues. And so I have great respect for you--I mean this sincerely.
But then there are some social/political topics that you comment on, and I just don't see that aforementioned wisdom, clarity and heart. And so I attempt to have serious discussions with you, precisely because I have that aforementioned respect for you and believe that those good qualities are still there, just waiting to be brought out--but in return, I'm met with you largely ignoring me and refusing to engage seriously or civilly with my posts.
This baffles me to a large extent and saddens me to a smaller but still existent extent. I would very much like to be on good terms with you and be able to laugh AND discuss things seriously with you--but you don't even give me that chance. It would be so much easier to just ignore you and dismiss you the way you've done to me if I thought you were a jerk all the time. But I know you're not, and that's why I'm baffled.
So at the risk of incurring more dismissal and disrespect, what must I do to be taken seriously by you?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostI agree, but I wasn't advocating that certain commenters here "just affirm [the transgender community's] feelings on gender." I was pointing out that what the community faces is a gravely serious issue that demands serious discussion, but those commenters are grossly trivializing the people and issues. If they want to believe that some answer besides affirmation is the way to go, fine. But they don't have to dismiss certain individuals as merely "men who get fake boobs and put on a dress."
If you acknowledge that there indeed is distress, a type so severe that it frequently drives people to suicide, then why would you not consider someone who manages to fight off that distress and carry on for almost sixty years to at least have some level of courage?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostThat's true. But I don't think anyone was disputing that.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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I think it's fair to say that some people are demanding that everyone affirm the choice Jenner made. Some people have insisted that it is rude to use "Bruce" or masculine pronouns. Of course, some people won't do that because they think it's giving in and affirming it."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI didn't "dismiss" Bruce merely as "men who get fake boobs and put on a dress". I even acknowledged him as a world class athlete. Perhaps you have some personal inadequacies that cause you to summarize my posts thus.
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I'm like AP, I agree that it is a delusion. In fact, I wrote my own piece on it and it was the most "Liked" thing I've ever written. People, as a whole, are just astounded by the insane idea that we can turn a male into a female in any meaningful way. It is so clearly a mental issue to the vast majority of people that all the affirmation and lauding seems quite bizarre.Read my other blog posts at http://reasonablefaithknoxville.org
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