Immutability of God.

[Sparko]

Here's a hint jo, you haven't left "religion". You've just invented your own, along with a new god to go with it.

Exactly. And the God they created is themselves. Pure selfishness and egomania.

[Abu Njoroge]

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[37818]

That makes no sense. Is an attribute somehow the entire nature???

Given God's nature defines itself. List attributes of that nature.

[tabibito]

I think people are referring more to God's moral character and abilities never changing.

Well, that is what the Bible refers to, anyway.

[37818]

You indicated you are a baptist once. Have you taken your ideas about God's nature to your pastor and see what he thinks?

My view point is baptist. I have discussed this with pastors. Mischaracterization of my view here is just that. I try to clarify. But it too is mischaracterized.

Immutability with God is fundamental. Mutability also had to have always been or there would a departure from immutability. And there is no departure of immutability nor can there have been. So mutability also has to always to have been with God in some way.

[37818]

But it is all interpreted. The Jehovah's Witnesses will say that they hold to the word of God according to the 66 books of the bible, but they sure interpret them differently. They claim that Jesus is not God at all, but the incarnation of Michael the Arch-angel, for example. They interpret John 1:1 to say that the son was "another God"

There are also cults that believe that the Father came down and became the Son, and is now the Holy Spirit. Modalism. They will tell you they believe the 66 books of the bible too.

Who God is is an essential. One God revealed as three distinct persons. When you start making up various other natures based on your private interpretations, then you have gone beyond the bible and orthodoxy. Which is what you seem to be doing. Baptists do not believe what you have been claiming about God and Christ and these other "temporal" natures and immutability. That is your own interpretation and idea. That is why it is important to check your own ideas against other Christians, and your pastor, to make sure you haven't wandered into heresy.

The godhead, tritheism denies one God, unitarianism denies the deity of Christ, Arianism denies the deity of Christ, Modalism denies the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of those things being denied can be shown to be taught in the Bible.

This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.

Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?

[Marta]

The godhead, tritheism denies one God, unitarianism denies the deity of Christ, Arianism denies the deity of Christ, Modalism denies the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of those things being denied can be shown to be taught in the Bible.

This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.

Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?

Truths:You still lack one thingWhat is impossible with man is possible with God

[37818]

Truths:You still lack one thingWhat is impossible with man is possible with God

So are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? What is your point?

[Marta]

So are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? What is your point?

"Be Careful Lest the Light in You Be Darkness ""I am the light of the world (John 8:12; 9:5). I am the lamp that must not be hidden or missed."

[Marta]

So are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? What is your point?

Matthew Henry Commentary
13:8-13 Charity is much to be preferred to the gifts on which the Corinthians prided themselves. From its longer continuance. It is a grace, lasting as eternity. The present state is a state of childhood, the future that of manhood. Such is the difference between earth and heaven. What narrow views, what confused notions of things, have children when compared with grown men! Thus shall we think of our most valued gifts of this world, when we come to heaven. All things are dark and confused now, compared with what they will be hereafter. They can only be seen as by the reflection in a mirror, or in the description of a riddle; but hereafter our knowledge will be free from all obscurity and error. It is the light of heaven only, that will remove all clouds and darkness that hide the face of God from us. To sum up the excellences of charity, it is preferred not only to gifts, but to other graces, to faith and hope. Faith fixes on the Divine revelation, and assents thereto, relying on the Divine Redeemer. Hope fastens on future happiness, and waits for that; but in heaven, faith will be swallowed up in actual sight, and hope in enjoyment. There is no room to believe and hope, when we see and enjoy. But there, love will be made perfect. There we shall perfectly love God. And there we shall perfectly love one another. Blessed state! how much surpassing the best below! God is love, 1Jo 4:8,16. Where God is to be seen as he is, and face to face, there charity is in its greatest height; there only will it be perfected.
1 Corinthians 13:12 Commentaries

[37818]

Matthew Henry Commentary
13:8-13 Charity is much to be preferred to the gifts on which the Corinthians prided themselves. From its longer continuance. It is a grace, lasting as eternity. The present state is a state of childhood, the future that of manhood. Such is the difference between earth and heaven. What narrow views, what confused notions of things, have children when compared with grown men! Thus shall we think of our most valued gifts of this world, when we come to heaven. All things are dark and confused now, compared with what they will be hereafter. They can only be seen as by the reflection in a mirror, or in the description of a riddle; but hereafter our knowledge will be free from all obscurity and error. It is the light of heaven only, that will remove all clouds and darkness that hide the face of God from us. To sum up the excellences of charity, it is preferred not only to gifts, but to other graces, to faith and hope. Faith fixes on the Divine revelation, and assents thereto, relying on the Divine Redeemer. Hope fastens on future happiness, and waits for that; but in heaven, faith will be swallowed up in actual sight, and hope in enjoyment. There is no room to believe and hope, when we see and enjoy. But there, love will be made perfect. There we shall perfectly love God. And there we shall perfectly love one another. Blessed state! how much surpassing the best below! God is love, 1Jo 4:8,16. Where God is to be seen as he is, and face to face, there charity is in its greatest height; there only will it be perfected.
1 Corinthians 13:12 Commentaries

You did not answer my two questions. Are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? And what was your point? Not some else's commentary on what is apparently irrelevant to the topic.

[37818]

1 Corinthians 2: ,
. . .it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. . . .

God has give His believers His Holy Spirit to understand His will [Romans 8:9; 2 Corinthians 13:5; 1 John 2:27]. You did not answer my questions: Do you deny the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? And what was your point?

[Marta]

You did not answer my two questions. Are you denying the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? And what was your point? Not some else's commentary on what is apparently irrelevant to the topic.

I made the point. What is relevant and what's not. What are the most important points coming out from the scripture - creation? or salvation? God created at the moment that Adam and Eve sinned a way to return back to him through Christ - Christ was in the foreshadows. The another comments are about what is revealed to us (but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever - salvation) and what's not revealed (The secret things belong to the LORD our God). What is the bible for? Is it to understand the immutability (unchangeable) relating this back to the beginning of creation? or is the bible a "historical" marker for salvation through the beginning of time, John 1, "From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 The law indeed was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. , who has made him known (John 17 - "3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent)"

[Marta]

[box]1 Corinthians 2: ,

God has give His believers His Holy Spirit to understand His will [Romans 8:9; 2 Corinthians 13:5; 1 John 2:27]. You did not answer my questions: Do you deny the Trinity explanation of the Godhead? And what was your point?

Where was it written of any denial to anything? I didn't! Again, you said:

- and I quote, "The godhead, tritheism denies one God, unitarianism denies the deity of Christ, Arianism denies the deity of Christ, Modalism denies the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of those things being denied can be shown to be taught in the Bible.

This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.

Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?

12. The Immutability of God

I going in the same direction with this article.......

[37818]

Where was it written of any denial to anything? I didn't! Again, you said:

and I quote, "The godhead, tritheism denies one God, unitarianism denies the deity of Christ, Arianism denies the deity of Christ, Modalism denies the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All of those things being denied can be shown to be taught in the Bible.

This needs to be said: Error is the denial of truth. All groups making claims to be Christian make some kind of claims to the 66 books we call the Bible. But the false teachings all have in common is there teachings are always the Bible plus another authority. Not the written word of God alone. Not sola scriptura.

Biblical errors either adds to the word of God or denies some explicit teaching of the word of God.
Do you know an exception?

12. The Immutability of God

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"My" two questions to you were because I am not understanding the point in your comments with regard to the Godhead and sola scriptura.