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That's lazy. Start with what you don't understand. If you don't understand any of it, then you are a liar and were never a Trinitarian at all. If you do, but just want to play stupid, I have no time for you.
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I'm currently not following your works. But over the years I've read your articles arguing for the reliability of the NT, defending the resurrection of Jesus, and rebutting the works of mythicists like Carrier, Doherty, Price. There were times (some years ago?) that you and a fellow from ThinkTank (Mr. Miller?) collaborated with you. I may go back and reread your articles on the Trinity and the dual nature of Christ.Originally posted by jpholding View PostComment
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And whoop there it is.
First of all, you need a foundation. That is why we have asked you to read the early church.
Second of all, I haven't made a defense because I suspected from the beginning you didn't actually have honest intentions here. You came in and have refused the original advice and you've tried to play the question and answer game. Now you snipe at me because I don't want to play.
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This isn't necessary. (This part is more of a language and conduct lesson, but "I'm sorry that you xyz" is a not an apology and is therefore is generally unnecessary in response. Not saying that you were or were not trying to apologize, just noting.)Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
In any case, I still strongly urge you to start with earlier material if you're genuine. Much of it can be found on ccel.org for free. I don't generally debate here as I'm a busy grad school student and I'm currently applying to law school. It probably didn't come over in my first posts, but yeah, I don't have time to do much of the typical back and forth on tweb. I only drop in for comments.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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One final request, for ease would you mind giving me the link to your articles aside from the following?Originally posted by jpholding View Post
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaimshub.html
http://www.tektonics.org/uz/unitresp.php
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No. It will simply be changed for you.
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The first article has all the series links at the bottom.Originally posted by RGJesus View PostComment
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Do you know the passages that speak of Jesus' divinity? Do you have problems with those passages? or do you have interpretations of those such that they speak not of His divinity? Of course Phil 2:6-7 is one of the important passages.
You have only said you are favoring unitarianism. Have you laid out an argument for this or do you just wish that people guess why you are interested in that view? Also, as mentioned in another post, are you willing to look at the discussion in the early church leading to the emphasis on the Trinitarian view? It probably would be better if you could identify where that debate went wrong. One of the issues is: Could Christ Jesus offer the true redemption without being deity?
If there is a serious change to be made in Christian doctrine, then put forth the effort to propose that change.Comment
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RGJusus,Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
Reading through the thread you have alot of issues on the topic thrown back and forth.
If I may, I would like to ask you three questions for starters.
1) When you held the Trinity view, what would you have briefly explained to someone what the Trinity meant?
2) What was the first issue that caused you to begin doubting the Trinity?
3) If someone wanted to know how to become a Chistian and know they would go to Heaven, what would you explain as to what was required?
Feel free to repeat or ask me any questions.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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If you didn't understand my response, are you ready to say that you understand exactly what happens to every person upon death and what remains after the body has died?
If so, how does this limit or relate to the death and resurrection of Jesus, especially if Jesus is, as commonly held, a person of the Godhead?
Do you have a Systematic Theology figured out so that the possibility of redemption is consistent with the nature of who Jesus is? Maybe if you identify which theologians you are in best agreement with -- and why you might be considering some variations from their ideas ... that might help.
Also, as a general recommendation... you will have best support if you can show that you are working through ideas in a genuine way. If it seems you are simply pushing Unitarian doctrine by indirect questions about the death of Christ, you probably will have a hard time getting a decent discussion.
Oh yes. If you feel there is a direction for the discussion that needs to be focused to a few tweb members, then ask for that here or start a new thread limited to that discussion. But you should check if those members are agreeable.Last edited by mikewhitney; 11-11-2016, 03:28 PM.Comment
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It appears you are not conversant with what the Orthodox Churches (RCC, EOC, ROC, OOC) who adhere to the Nicene Creed of 325CE & Constantinople-Nicene Creed of 381CE. Both creeds begin "II believe in one God the Father almighty...". So that's our starting point. God the Father is the sole source and cause of all things, including the Son & the Spirit. Thus the creed then requires a second confession = "I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven". After some elaboration on Christ the creed then requires a third confession "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father...who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets".Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
http://www.todayscatholicnews.org/20...e-holy-mass-8/Last edited by elam; 12-07-2016, 11:44 PM.Comment
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