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Cogito ergo sum
Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
Why would there be any distinction between "rational cause and effect" and "non-rational cause and effect?"
It's all just cause and effect.
Well you brought the computer thing in: Computers, governed by the non-rational cause/effect relation, seem to be pretty good at representing the rational ground/consequent relation.
I don't think you can use a computer as an example of non-rational cause and effect.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
Well you brought the computer thing in: Computers, governed by the non-rational cause/effect relation, seem to be pretty good at representing the rational ground/consequent relation.
I don't think you can use a computer as an example of non-rational cause and effect.
I was responding to this statement: "Non-rational cause/effect relation is different from the rational ground/consequent relation."
Cause and effect is not rational per se, but systems made up of cause and effect are able to represent rationality.
But as with computers they represent rationality because they were created by the rational to be rational.
So we agree that rationality can be represented with cause and effect.
The only question is whether the system that represents rationality has to be created with that purpose in mind. It appears to me that that part isn't really necessary.
So we agree that rationality can be represented with cause and effect.
If the cause and effect was created by the rational.
The only question is whether the system that represents rationality has to be created with that purpose in mind. It appears to me that that part isn't really necessary.
How about a counter example?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
But as with computers they represent rationality because they were created by the rational to be rational.
Computers were created by rational minds that had evolved incrementally from sea-slime to the intelligent, reasoning creators that we are today. No need for the creator-deity scenario you keep hinting at.
Computers were created by rational minds that had evolved incrementally from sea-slime to the intelligent, reasoning creators that we are today. No need for the creator-deity scenario you keep hinting at.
How do you know that Tass?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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