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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
No doubt the Christian colonists who slaughtered the indigenous inhabitants of America or Australia and took their lands and destroyed their cultures did not believe that their acts were immoral at the time. They even justified such atrocities with quotes from scripture. But such behavior is recognized now as immoral behavior. And this is because moral values evolve and vary from culture to culture over time.
However, as you said, some felt no remorse and justified their action (look at the Crusades) for God or blessed by scripture
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Originally posted by seer View Post
You keep asserting that without evidence. Saying "survival of the fittest" has no meaning. Did some thing design this system of survival? Or did it come about by accident?
It didn't come from anywhere? Magic? And what created that process besides accidental happenstance?
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Originally posted by seer View PostLike I said, some species get lucky and most don't.
Usually, when we talk about why some species didn't survive, we're interested in more direct causes, like some other species outcompeting it, or the environment changing faster than it could adapt, etc.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
That's true in the same sense that the winner of an athletic contest is just lucky. Maybe he had better genes, or parents that pushed him harder, etc., but these things are all a matter of luck.
Usually, when we talk about why some species didn't survive, we're interested in more direct causes, like some other species outcompeting it, or the environment changing faster than it could adapt, etc.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post\You keep asserting that without evidence. Saying "survival of the fittest" has no meaning. Did some thing design this system of survival? Or did it come about by accident?
It didn't come from anywhere? Magic? And what created that process besides accidental happenstance?America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
And why is our moral view "now" correct and their past view "wrong?" Based on what?
Originally posted by seer View Post
Like I said, some species get lucky and most don't.
Last edited by Tassman; 10-03-2020, 02:08 AM.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
Actually there probably were some who believed their acts were immoral. From what I remember such remorse was part of the US soldier experience in some of the unnecessary and brutal extermination of Plains Indians.
However, as you said, some felt no remorse and justified their action (look at the Crusades) for God or blessed by scripture
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
Throughout human history community moral values have evolved and varied from culture to culture over time. The current community values in the developed world no longer encompass the disenfranchisement of entire categories of people – whether black, LGBT, women, Muslims, Jews, Christians or Native Americans.
It's not a question of "luck". It's merely Natural Selection doing what Natural Selection does.
Luck: success or failure apparently brought by chance.
“In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
Oh yes. There are almost always some individuals who resist the discriminatory (sometimes brutal) actions of the majority. And these are the individuals who collectively, over time bring about reform - e.g. the abolitionists and the suffragettes etc. ,
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Originally posted by seer View Post
But why is the present moral view more correct than past views? And these current community values are not held world wide, not in Communist or Muslim countries. What makes the West right and them wrong?
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
Perhaps the present moral value is 'more correct' simply because many see more clearly. We have moved (or are moving) from tribalism, superstition and racism (to name just a few beliefs that diminish life) to greater freedom - if we remain attentive, to actually be 'Christ' in and to our world.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
Never said there weren't...........simply that homosexuality as a great evil is not one :+}Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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