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We have been through this a number of times before. I can continue posting research as long as you like and in as many threads that come up down the road. This research article goes into what is fundamentally common between chip and human morality and what is lacking in chip behavior.
Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-23-2023, 05:25 PM.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Neither is posting a general search query or just posting articles without commentary.
You did respond but with a snide superficial Dodge.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-23-2023, 05:26 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
The articles have explanations that stand on their own. Your failure to respond is silence in response to research article with objective evidence.
You did respond but with a snide superficial Dodge.
Debates (points for your position) made via weblink are not allowed. Weblinks may be used when a substantive summary of the point being made is posted on the board with a link given for further information regarding your position. Remember responsive arguments are to be as personal as possible, not "cut and paste" dueling articles. This can be avoided by giving one's personal analysis along with an article, or just quoting the specifically relevant portions and showing relevance
Nothing that you've posted has even touched on moral realism, at best, you've posted on descriptive moral reasoning. If you wish to say there are no ontologically independent moral properties that give rise to the good and have motivational force but rather merely certain behaviors that may be pragmatically beneficial, that's certainly a point you could articulate. If you wish to say that moral realism is better characterised in some other way besides ontologically independent moral properties that give rise to the good and have motivational force, that's also a point you could articulate. But you have done nothing of the sort.
As far as my view of Singer, utilitarianism, as with any form of consequentialism, will necessarily give rise to utility monsters wherein any horror could be justified by the ends. For instance, Iceland has accomplished something that Hitler could only have dreamed by virtually eliminating Downs from the country.P1) If , then I win.
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C) I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
To quote the rules:
Debates (points for your position) made via weblink are not allowed. Weblinks may be used when a substantive summary of the point being made is posted on the board with a link given for further information regarding your position. Remember responsive arguments are to be as personal as possible, not "cut and paste" dueling articles. This can be avoided by giving one's personal analysis along with an article, or just quoting the specifically relevant portions and showing relevance
Nothing that you've posted has even touched on moral realism, at best, you've posted on descriptive moral reasoning. If you wish to say there are no ontologically independent moral properties that give rise to the good and have motivational force but rather merely certain behaviors that may be pragmatically beneficial, that's certainly a point you could articulate. If you wish to say that moral realism is better characterised in some other way besides ontologically independent moral properties that give rise to the good and have motivational force, that's also a point you could articulate. But you have done nothing of the sort.
As far as my view of Singer, utilitarianism, as with any form of consequentialism, will necessarily give rise to utility monsters wherein any horror could be justified by the ends. For instance, Iceland has accomplished something that Hitler could only have dreamed by virtually eliminating Downs from the country.
Nothing I posted did I intend to refer to Moral Realism. My argument is that the objective evolutionary processes explain the morals, ethics and rules of law. As before I consider Moral Realism a meaningless philosophy that can only refer to itself to justify itself without supporting evidence. The evolution of morals, ethics and rule of law have an objective foundation in science just as all the sciences of evolution.
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Again my argument was previously stated. "The natural objective of evolution of morals and ethics, and the rule of law with the purpose of survival of the species to maintain cooperation and stability of human cultures." I could care less about moral realism, because it does not explain anything concerning the objective origin of morals, ethics and rule of law.
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The following is a more complete interesting definition of Moral or Ethical Realism.
The problems become very apparent, this and other related philosophies is the argument is an attempt to circular to justify itself and compare itself to other philosophies without outside objective evidence followed by a poll of philosophers, This is avery subjective justification of philosophy.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
So you admit you have reading comprehension regarding the thread topic. Thank you.
No, my reading comprehension is fine, I stated my view of Moral Realism with references and you have failed to respond. Moral Realism does not give evidence for wht it claims. I am arguing for science, in particular the sciences of evolution, and provided references which you have not responded to. Silence . . .
The thread topic is 'On Moral Realism,' and I am arguing against Moral Realism and that is right on topic.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-23-2023, 08:46 PM.
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"15 Examples of Moral Relativism- Eating Pork. In Judaism, there is a rule against eating any animal that does not have split hooves and/or does not chew their cud. ...
- Tardiness. ...
- Veganism. ...
- Repaying Credit Card Bills. ...
- Tax Avoidance. ...
- Conspicuous Consumption. ...
- Tipping the Server. ...
- Believing in the Wrong God."
Could we add murder or genocide to this list? Why or why not?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is a website with a number of research articles on primate morality and the evolution of morals and ethics.
Male Sexual Aggression: What Chimps Can Reveal About People
https://www.livescience.com/48743-ag...duce-more.html
A Chimp’s Guide to Stealing Food
https://projectchimps.org/a_chimps_g...stealing_food/
Does Chimp Warfare Explain Our Sense of Good and Evil?
https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...nd-evil/58643/Last edited by seer; 03-24-2023, 07:36 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAgain my argument was previously stated. "The natural objective of evolution of morals and ethics, and the rule of law with the purpose of survival of the species to maintain cooperation and stability of human cultures." I could care less about moral realism, because it does not explain anything concerning the objective origin of morals, ethics and rule of law.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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