What is a 'Christ'?

[firstfloor]

So is your argument that having dinner with a social outcast means hating the people group both you, the outcast, and everyone else around you belongs to?

You may want to withdraw that as an example of anti-semitism, cause that's some very shaky ground you're basing it on.

[Raphael]

"Pharisees made up some fake charges (the not paying taxes) to get the Romans to execute Jesus" = the Gospel's portraying an inauthentic Jesus?
"Jesus dining with social outcasts" = the Gospel's portraying an inauthentic Jesus?

Yeah, I would delete the Eisenman book off your Kindle, it's not worth the MB its taking up on there.

[One Bad Pig]

Likewise, the anti-Semitism is not authentic Jesus. I am not saying that Jesus is anti-Jewish; that would be impossible, but the words put in his mouth are.

You're relying entirely too much on Bultmann and his disciples.

[KingsGambit]

You're relying entirely too much on Bultmann and his disciples.

The Bultmann of history or the Bultmann of religion?

[Darth Executor]

It's why John was killed you dolt.

Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews

He was a rabble rouser and it got him killed. I'm sorry that the history that is recorded here portrays a picture you don't like.

Where does it say he was a rabble rouser? It explicitly says that Herod feared what he might become, rather than what he was. "Might put it into his power and inclination" implies it was not in either at the time.

[firstfloor]

"Pharisees made up some fake charges (the not paying taxes) to get the Romans to execute Jesus" = the Gospel's portraying an inauthentic Jesus?
"Jesus dining with social outcasts" = the Gospel's portraying an inauthentic Jesus?

If Jesus was playing nice with the Romans, why would the Pharisees want rid of him?

[Cow Poke]

If Jesus was playing nice with the Romans,

He was?

why would the Pharisees want rid of him?

Jesus was kind to the down-and-outters - he blasted the religious leaders, particularly the Pharisees.



He certainly wasn't "playing nice" with the Pharisees.

[Raphael]

If Jesus was playing nice with the Romans, why would the Pharisees want rid of him?

Because they didn't like him because he pointed out their hypocrisy and called them a number of things they didn't much like (Matthew 23:13-36))

He called them out on their corruption and hypocrisy and they didn't like it.

Because they considers His claims of Who He is to be blasphemous.

And Jesus largely ignored the Romans except for when they were trying to trap him into saying something to upset the Romans.

[firstfloor]

Because they didn't like him because he pointed out their hypocrisy and called them a number of things they didn't much like (Matthew 23:13-36))

He called them out on their corruption and hypocrisy and they didn't like it.

Because they considers His claims of Who He is to be blasphemous.

And Jesus largely ignored the Romans except for when they were trying to trap him into saying something to upset the Romans.

[One Bad Pig]

What is certain is that Eisenman should not be taken seriously. Pharisees were Herodian clients???? If you paid anything for this drivel, you paid too much.

[MaxVel]

Isn't Eisenmann where the term 'eisegesis' comes from???

[firstfloor]

What is certain is that Eisenman should not be taken seriously. Pharisees were Herodian clients???? If you paid anything for this drivel, you paid too much.

[Cerebrum123]

I see you've latched onto a new author to idolize because the spew nonsense you want to hear. Of course, you've been that way since you joined and had the faith designation of "Armstrongist"*. This sounds rather descriptive of you and those you've put on a pedestal.

2 Timothy 4:3 [Full Chapter]
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

*That was back when he was reading Karen Armstrong I believe.

[firstfloor]

I see you've latched onto a new author to idolize because the spew nonsense you want to hear. Of course, you've been that way since you joined and had the faith designation of "Armstrongist"*. This sounds rather descriptive of you and those you've put on a pedestal.

2 Timothy 4:3 [Full Chapter]
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

*That was back when he was reading Karen Armstrong I believe.

I have found what seems to me to be a productive seam. We all have teachers and we all follow our favourites. This is leading edge and controversial stuff mainly because the field is so ultra-conservative. Tradition has its place but it will copy errors endlessly.

[Raphael]

I have found what seems to me to be a productive seam. We all have teachers and we all follow our favourites. This is leading edge and controversial stuff mainly because the field is so ultra-conservative. Tradition has its place but it will copy errors endlessly.

It's not so much leading edge as it is complete and utter twaddle.