What is a 'Christ'?

[One Bad Pig]

Are you a fair-minded person?

Yes. Is Eisenman? Clearly not. It takes a perverse reading of the material to conclude that the gospels are anti-Semitic.

[firstfloor]

Yes. Is Eisenman? Clearly not. It takes a perverse reading of the material to conclude that the gospels are anti-Semitic.

[MaxVel]

Makes sense to me. Jesus the Jew, the Early church, the gospel writers, all just about without exception JEWS... Were anti-Semites.

[seer]

Makes sense to me. Jesus the Jew, the Early church, the gospel writers, all just about without exception JEWS... Were anti-Semites.

They must have been self-hating Jews.

[firstfloor]

Makes sense to me. Jesus the Jew, the Early church, the gospel writers, all just about without exception JEWS... Were anti-Semites.

[Irate Canadian]

What dogma? The majority of the first converts to Christianity were Jews? And, when Jesus was talking about the brood of vipers, he was SPECIFICALLY referring to the Pharisees. Please read the subject matter you are quoting before making statements such as these.

[firstfloor]

What dogma? The majority of the first converts to Christianity were Jews? And, when Jesus was talking about the brood of vipers, he was SPECIFICALLY referring to the Pharisees. Please read the subject matter you are quoting before making statements such as these.

The Pharisees were the accommodationist (like Pauline Christianity, that is why they survived) sect that evolved into Rabbinic Judaism. The nationalist Jesus movement was extinguished completely. The transformation of Christianity from a Jewish sect has resulted in the story of Jesus being recast in an anti-Jewish form and even has him dining with Roman tax collectors!

[Cow Poke]

...and even has him dining with Roman tax collectors!

Can you elaborate on this part, please?

[One Bad Pig]

I disagree. To understand The Bible we need to have a reasonable awareness of the political situation, the power structures and the way opposition is suppressed under Roman rule.

Yes, that helps. Unfortunately, you demonstrate a complete lack of awareness, as evidenced by:
Ignoring, for the moment, that Jesus was a Jew condemning other Jews here, I am not aware of any scholar who asserts that "Pharisee" was synonymous with "Jew" in the first century.

[Raphael]

even has him dining with Roman tax collectors!

Zacchaeus was a Jew. As was Levi.
Scorned and hated by other Jews true, but still a fellow Jew and not a Roman.

[firstfloor]

Zacchaeus was a Jew. As was Levi.
Scorned and hated by other Jews true, but still a fellow Jew and not a Roman.

Yes. I ought to have said a collector of Roman taxes; a collaborator.

[Cow Poke]

Yes. I ought to have said a collector of Roman taxes; a collaborator.

So, Jesus had dinner with Jews who collected taxes for the Romans, one of whom was called to be one of the Twelve. I'm not seeing the scandal. Jesus OFTEN associated/interacted with sinners, and was harsh to the religious leaders.

[One Bad Pig]

So, Jesus had dinner with Jews who collected taxes for the Romans, one of whom was called to be one of the Twelve. I'm not seeing the scandal. Jesus OFTEN associated/interacted with sinners, and was harsh to the religious leaders.

Oh, the Jewish religious leaders considered it scandalous to dine with tax collectors. It's just that the fact that the tax collectors were Jews themselves completely vitiates ff's attempted point.

[Cow Poke]

Oh, the Jewish religious leaders considered it scandalous to dine with tax collectors.

Of course they did, but Jesus wasn't there to please them.

It's just that the fact that the tax collectors were Jews themselves completely vitiates ff's attempted point.

From the Christian perspective, there is no scandal - Jesus came to seek and to save sinners, and met them where they were.

[Raphael]

Yes. I ought to have said a collector of Roman taxes; a collaborator.

So is your argument that having dinner with a social outcast means hating the people group both you, the outcast, and everyone else around you belongs to?

You may want to withdraw that as an example of anti-semitism, cause that's some very shaky ground you're basing it on.