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Can Science and Christianity be compatible? LPoT vs SoR. Also open to others.
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I've slept on it and I have decided that I no longer want lilpixieofterror to be my debate partner. I have simply put in way to much effort and gotten very little feedback from her that I can see now, she's not going to be a very good partner. First she said two days, then a week, then another week, and last Friday she told me straight up we would be starting. I know we've all got a real life to tend to but that doesn't stop you from having good manners and keeping people in the loop; she hasn't logged on in two days but she knows I've been waiting on her.
I'll leave this topic to the rest of the forums users to with it what they will.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNot as far as science is concerned. Falsification is limited to the physical existence.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally? How do you know that every physical event is open to falsification?Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally? How do you know that every physical event is open to falsification?Originally posted by YitriumYou have a bit of a non sequitur there, seer. Falsification being limited to physical existence does not imply that all physical events are open to falsification. It simply means that falsification doesn't work so well on non-physical existence.Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-07-2015, 03:38 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt is not a matter of 'knowing anything,' it is matter of the objective observable nature of our physical existence.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostSome two weeks ago, lilpixieofterror and I had an argument in the course of which, we both decided to have a debate. Well, actually, she was talking smack that I can't refute her (and bunch of other garbage claims) and I offered her the chance to prove that by having a debate. The topic was of her choosing and she decided that debating whether science and Christianity can be reconciled was the topic she wanted to cover.
It's been one thing after the other to find out when this debate was going to happen or if it was going to happen at all. So I decided to make this thread so you can all discuss the topic your selves, with a catch.
I will be responding to lilpixieofterror and only lilpixieofterror in this thread. Do not reply to me expecting me to write back, because I won't. If lilpixeofterror wishes to respond to other poster then that is her choice. You can talk amongst each other, but please do not try to derail this thread if you can do that - though I've come not expect people to behave themselves on this site. We will not kick anyone out though under any circumstances, so consider this a free for all
So the topic is: Can science and Christianity be compatible?
Crystal, if our discussion goes off the rails then so be it."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostWouldn't it be more productive if you started up the discussion with actual problems that you'd see with such a compatibility. Otherwise I'm not really sure what Little Pixie of Terror is obligated to do for her opening, other than make some general remarks on the effects of the Christian culture and the Church, on the enterprise of science, and end off shortly be declaring that there's no conflict. Its pretty hard to prove a negative.
So I'd say you should demonstrate that there's is in fact, compatibility issues. And at least define the scope of that. Is it sufficient to demonstrate that Christianity and Science in general merely can be compatible, which seems a fairly easy thing to defend, and I have no idea how you'd argue that they're not.
Or that there's been many practical, historical problems between Christianity and Science?
Creation Science would be a topic to go for in that category, and you could make reasonable case that certain subgroups of Christians have issues with science, but this topic its fairly recent in history though. You could try for a Christians killed science in Rome, or the more reasonable Christians were indifferent to the preservation of Roman and Greek texts, and so were indirectly the cause of the loss of generations of acquired knowledge. Though I'm not sure what the strength of that would be. You could try to argue that Christianity has been against curiosity, which would be interesting, because that is something condemned by Church Fathers and many saints, and the question would fall on whether this is scientific curiosity, or the kind of curiosity that drive people to step closer to an accident to see the gore.
There's plenty of topics to dig into, but its probably up to you to start."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostPretty much. It seems that SoR will have to take a relatively small subset of Christians and try to portray their views as typical."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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