Dubious Plot and Cast

[whag]

Whag,

First, a thank you.

Second, in particular what do you take as unbelievable in the Christian gospel plot? And please explain why? and how you come to your conclusions.

Third, in that regard, what characters in the account do you find to be unbelievable? Why?

And again thanks.

You're welcome.

Let's start with the base premise as described in my reply to Truthseeker.

[shunyadragon]

Yes, but let's not start there. Let's start with premise and characters. Thinking like yours accepts the premise that God created a being who knew God's power, got jealous, and led a mutiny. Very little is said about this but so much has been extrapolated from it. Cut to Jesus' time. The characters from that mutiny inhabit and antagonize random people. Satan later appears to tempt God, the person who made him, taunting him to save himself and offering him earthly kingdoms.

As with so many myths and religions, I don't believe this. I think moral and natural evil are better explained in other ways, not through the anthropomorphic story of Satan having a whack attack.

I do not believe them either, because cause they reflect the legends and myths of the time, and not the evolving spiritual message of the Revelation.

[whag]

I do not believe them either, because cause they reflect the legends and myths of the time, and not the evolving spiritual message of the Revelation.

The ratio of what the Bible says about Satan to what has been extrapolated from that content shows how shaky and inadequate that story is an an explanation for moral and natural evil. That's one of the reasons why evolution vexed conservative Christians when it became apparent that was the truth. All of the sudden, human behavior made sense apart from the Adam myth.

[37818]

Let's start with premise and characters. Thinking like yours accepts the premise that God created a being who knew God's power, got jealous, and led a mutiny. Very little is said about this but so much has been extrapolated from it. Cut to Jesus' time. . . .

OK.
We need to deal with this before we go further. How do you extapulate this jealousy? And then were do you get a mutiny?

[whag]

OK.
We need to deal with this before we go further. How do you extapulate this jealousy? And then were do you get a mutiny?

I don't understand the first question. Re: "mutiny," what's a mutiny if not an open rebellion? Why begin with splitting hairs over that term?

[shunyadragon]

OK.
We need to deal with this before we go further. How do you extapulate this jealousy? And then were do you get a mutiny?

There may be quibbling and mixing terminology, but this obviously refers to the Fall, Original Sin and the consequences of the rebellion of Adam and Eve against God that results in the punishment for all of humanity since. This a mythical plot and characters that does not remotely fit any reality imaginable.

[whag]

There may be quibbling and mixing terminology, but this obviously refers to the Fall, Original Sin and the consequences of the rebellion of Adam and Eve against God that results in the punishment for all of humanity since. This a mythical plot and characters that does not remotely fit any reality imaginable.

Yes, but let's stick with the angelic rebellion and defection, first. I'd rather not leap to the Adam explication before 37818 defends the believability of the heaven war.

[shunyadragon]

Yes, but let's stick with the angelic rebellion and defection, first. I'd rather not leap to the Adam explication before 37818 defends the believability of the heaven war.

I am assuming that the human rebellion is a reflection of the Angelic rebellion in heaven. It would be true that both the Angelic and worldly Adam and Eve rebellion were real than the Omnipotent and All-powerful nature of God would be seriously in question and problematic.

[whag]

I am assuming that the human rebellion is a reflection of the Angelic rebellion in heaven. It would be true that both the Angelic and worldly Adam and Eve rebellion were real than the Omnipotent and All-powerful nature of God would be seriously in question and problematic.

Here's a fascinating (though cornball) video from the Amazing Facts guy on this very topic: the origin of evil.

http://youtu.be/dSUPBn3MqQQ

[37818]

I don't understand the first question. Re: "mutiny," what's a mutiny if not an open rebellion? Why begin with splitting hairs over that term?

Ok, what was the rebellion you are referring to?

[whag]

Ok, what was the rebellion you are referring to?

The angel one.

[37818]

Here's a fascinating (though cornball) video from the Amazing Facts guy on this very topic: the origin of evil.

http://youtu.be/dSUPBn3MqQQ

Here is a teaching from the Bible, the knowledge of good and evil is God's[Yahweh's] knowledge [Genesis 3:5, 22].

[37818]

The angel one.

And what does he Bible really tell us on this?

[whag]

And what does he Bible really tell us on this?

Don't drag this out. It'll get boring fast if you take this approach.

[shunyadragon]

And what does he Bible really tell us on this?

Angel rebelled against God.