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  • #46
    Originally posted by whag View Post
    Supernatural doesn't mean all powerful and omnipresent.
    Nor did I claim it did.

    You do the exact same thing I do.
    Nope. And you dun it again!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Adrift View Post
      I mean, I don't know why I'm bothering engaging with you. Past experience teaches me it's a largely fruitless effort. Maybe I'm nuts as well.
      You typically bow out as soon as you feel slightly exasperated. That's not really engagement.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by whag View Post
        You typically bow out as soon as you feel slightly exasperated. That's not really engagement.
        Yeah, he's more sane than a lot of us.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Yeah, he's more sane than a lot of us.
          You misspelled "of a martyr."

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          • #50
            Originally posted by whag View Post
            You typically bow out as soon as you feel slightly exasperated. That's not really engagement.
            I don't see much point in sticking around when I see dead horses being beaten, my words twisted to suit your agenda, and/or when I see that your aim is to win the conversation rather than have a discussion.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by whag View Post
              You misspelled "of a martyr."
              Yeah, that's real engagement.


              So, how did you get "all powerful and omnipresent" from my comment "but to put human constraints on a supernatural belief is ... well... hooey"?

              That's a classic false dichotomy, I think.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                I don't see much point in sticking around when I see dead horses being beaten, my words twisted to suit your agenda, and/or when I see that your aim is to win the conversation rather than have a discussion.
                Your opening salvo was "I don't know why I bother." I don't care if you leave.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Yeah, that's real engagement.


                  So, how did you get "all powerful and omnipresent" from my comment "but to put human constraints on a supernatural belief is ... well... hooey"?

                  That's a classic false dichotomy, I think.
                  Supernatural doesn't mean capable of anything. Can you acknowledge any limits that demons have, besides the logistical one that I implied? If a legion inhabited one man, there appears to be a surplus of them.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by whag View Post
                    Supernatural doesn't mean capable of anything.
                    And, AGAIN, I never claimed it did.

                    Can you acknowledge any limits that demons have, besides the logistical one that I implied?
                    If you weren't looking for a fight, you MIGHT be able to discern that I see a RANGE of capabilities -- from more than human to less than God -- in supernatural beings.

                    If a legion inhabited one man, there appears to be a surplus of them.
                    If a legion inhabited EVERY man, you might have a point. And "surplus" doesn't demand "billions", as you originally stated.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      I find it interesting that C.S. Lewis, who was very familiar with various mythologies, found the general story arc of Christianity to be consonant with the archetypes he was familiar with. He found the stories compelling, but for their aesthetic qualities and not necessarily literalism.

                      I'm not trying to make a strong point here; I just find it interesting that some people can come up with opposite conclusions here.

                      Having said that... when we talk about "plot and cast", are we talking about, say, God/angels/demons/etc. or just "ordinary" human characters in the Bible?

                      I'm about to leave to work overnight so I won't respond again for awhile.
                      I think you're misrepresenting Lewis. He believed that demonic forces interacted with human beings, so you're overshooting a bit by saying he only viewed Satan and demons as archetypes and aesthetic expressions. I don't just disbelieve a hyperliteral story about an angelic rebellion; I disbelieve the core premise. I regard the personification of evil in the form of Satan as dubious, and it doesn't get any coarser than that!

                      Re: cast of characters, I also meant many human characters from the Bible, but let's stick with the core premise for now. That's entirely rich enough.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        And, AGAIN, I never claimed it did.



                        If you weren't looking for a fight, you MIGHT be able to discern that I see a RANGE of capabilities -- from more than human to less than God -- in supernatural beings.



                        If a legion inhabited EVERY man, you might have a point. And "surplus" doesn't demand "billions", as you originally stated.
                        Fair enough. At the least, we agree that the Bible says that many demons, probably more than a dozen, interact with human beings, yes?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by whag View Post
                          Fair enough. At the least, we agree that the Bible says that many demons, probably more than a dozen, interact with human beings, yes?
                          How many human beings? How many instances of this?
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            How many human beings? How many instances of this?
                            You tell me, pastor poke. You can't mentally access any sermons you've preached on this topic?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by whag View Post
                              You tell me, pastor poke. You can't mentally access any sermons you've preached on this topic?
                              Ah, so now you're being ... um... snarky because you're not doing so good at this.

                              I can't recall preaching any sermons that make this ("many" demons possessing one human) a common occurrence.

                              YOU brought this up, Whag - don't run from it... how often in the Bible do we see this "multiple demons" possessing humans?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                Ah, so now you're being ... um... snarky because you're not doing so good at this.

                                I can't recall preaching any sermons that make this ("many" demons possessing one human) a common occurrence.

                                YOU brought this up, Whag - don't run from it... how often in the Bible do we see this "multiple demons" possessing humans?
                                Snark is fun. Don't pretend you don't enjoy it.

                                I have no idea how many multiple demon possessions have occurred. Neither do I have any idea why more than one would be required, they being "supernatural" and all.

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