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A Priori beliefs.
Last edited by 37818; 05-24-2015, 11:50 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVTags: None
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I agree. Much pointless discussion takes place here as people talk past each other not noticing their fundamental assumptions are mismatched.
I would add we quickly form assumptions about people too and thereafter see anything they say through the prism of those assumptions. I've seen people branded as 'troublemakers' be dismissed no matter how reasonably they might post. It would be interesting to have a forum where everyone was anonymous.Last edited by pancreasman; 05-24-2015, 12:00 PM.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI agree. Much pointless discussion takes place here as people talk past each other not noticing their fundamental assumptions are mismatched.
I would add we quickly form assumptions about people too and thereafter see anything they say through the prism of those assumptions. I've seen people branded as 'troublemakers' be dismissed no matter how reasonably they might post. It would be interesting to have a forum where everyone was anonymous.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI am of the persuasion that everyone has a priori beliefs which affects our understanding of others and other teachings. Not just understand the Bible. The difficulty in discussions, I believe, is do to the hidden a priori beliefs. Not understand one's own nor the other person's a priori beliefs.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is very true including you to and I. I do make an effort to reduce the burden of priori beliefs as much as possible. The Buddhist principles that 'Nothing is necessary' and 'impermanence' have influenced my philosophy and world view since my teenage years.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostP!ease explain your understanding of the "nothing is necessary" concept.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMost of the priori beliefs are considered necessary in one way or another.'Nothing is necessary' is the principle that no priori beliefs are necessary from the fallible human perspective. Human logic and reasoning is always potentially flawed.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThey are unavoidable. So your following comment, to me, is not sensible:
I did not say I did not have priori beliefs, I said, 'I reduce the burden as much as possible.'
It starts with the recognition of the fallibility of your own priori beliefs.
Therefore, . . .
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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It would be nice if everyone started with a minimal set of a-priori beliefs, I guess. But they could be wrong. One would need experience to teach him, good and hard, Shuny, nicht wahr?
Try to learn as much as you can possibly from your most embarrassing mistakes, your most colossal failures.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostHuman logic and reasoning is always potentially flawed.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostExcept that once you know it, you can go on to use your human logic and reasoning more precisely to work out the flaws in your logic and reasoning. In other words, we have strategies for dealing with this problem.
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I hold the following a priori beliefs: -- That the laws of logic are true.
- That I exist (Cogito, ergo sum)
- That there are minds other than my own.
- That the external world is real.
My Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostIt would be nice if everyone started with a minimal set of a-priori beliefs, I guess. But they could be wrong.
One would need experience to teach him,
Try to learn as much as you can possibly from your most embarrassing mistakes, your most colossal failures.
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