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I am of the persuasion that everyone has a priori beliefs which affects our understanding of others and other teachings. Not just understand the Bible. The difficulty in discussions, I believe, is do to the hidden a priori beliefs. Not understand one's own nor the other person's a priori beliefs.Last edited by 37818; 05-24-2015, 11:50 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV -
I agree. Much pointless discussion takes place here as people talk past each other not noticing their fundamental assumptions are mismatched.
I would add we quickly form assumptions about people too and thereafter see anything they say through the prism of those assumptions. I've seen people branded as 'troublemakers' be dismissed no matter how reasonably they might post. It would be interesting to have a forum where everyone was anonymous.Last edited by pancreasman; 05-24-2015, 12:00 PM. -
There was that rather amusing discussion about time. Well, really many if not most of the philosophical discussions end up this way.Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
We could call it 'T-chan'.I would add we quickly form assumptions about people too and thereafter see anything they say through the prism of those assumptions. I've seen people branded as 'troublemakers' be dismissed no matter how reasonably they might post. It would be interesting to have a forum where everyone was anonymous.Comment
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This is very true including you to and I. I do make an effort to reduce the burden of priori beliefs as much as possible. The Buddhist principles that 'Nothing is necessary' and 'impermanence' have influenced my philosophy and world view since my teenage years.Originally posted by 37818 View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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P!ease explain your understanding of the "nothing is necessary" concept.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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Most of the priori beliefs are considered necessary in one way or another. 'Nothing is necessary' is the principle that no priori beliefs are necessary from the fallible human perspective. Human logic and reasoning is always potentially flawed.Originally posted by 37818 View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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They are unavoidable. So your following comment, to me, is not sensible:Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post'Nothing is necessary' is the principle that no priori beliefs are necessary from the fallible human perspective. Human logic and reasoning is always potentially flawed.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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Including the a priori belief that 'Nothing is necessary'?Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
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It sounds like you giving up your potential of 'Free Will,' something like the story of the elephant held by a thread.Originally posted by 37818 View Post
I did not say I did not have priori beliefs, I said, 'I reduce the burden as much as possible.'
It starts with the recognition of the fallibility of your own priori beliefs.
Therefore, . . .
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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It would be nice if everyone started with a minimal set of a-priori beliefs, I guess. But they could be wrong. One would need experience to teach him, good and hard, Shuny, nicht wahr?
Try to learn as much as you can possibly from your most embarrassing mistakes, your most colossal failures.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, MeditationsComment
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Except that once you know it, you can go on to use your human logic and reasoning more precisely to work out the flaws in your logic and reasoning. In other words, we have strategies for dealing with this problem.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Agreed, I was primarily referring to the context of priori beliefs.Originally posted by firstfloor View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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I hold the following a priori beliefs: -- That the laws of logic are true.
- That I exist (Cogito, ergo sum)
- That there are minds other than my own.
- That the external world is real.
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I assume they very well could be wrong.Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
Teach who?One would need experience to teach him,
If your priori assumption remain the same, no change.Try to learn as much as you can possibly from your most embarrassing mistakes, your most colossal failures.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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