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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNaturalAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo God is spiritual. The spiritual nature of existence is in harmony with the physical and all is natural.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo God is spiritual. The spiritual nature of existence is in harmony with the physical and all is natural.Originally posted by seer View PostAgain in what sense is God natural? Is He physical made or particles?I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThe two of you are using different definitions of 'natural'.
Seer has chosen to push this beyond the subject matter of this thread to the nature of God, the spiritual realms, and Creation by citing Baha'i scripture selectively and not reading his own references. So be it. I gave my response to these questions.
I have defined my definitions of natural, and how I use them. In terms of God's Creation and our physical existence; God Creates in God's attributes naturally in uniform consistent Natural Laws, and there are no contradictions outside this that would be 'supernatural.' The perception of the miraculous and supernatural is dependent on human knowledge, and evolves over time. Primitive humans may have considered diseases, plagues, natural disasters, and even lightening and thunder to be have supernatural causes, and even images in clouds to have supernatural explanations. Today these are normal natural events, at least for most sane people.
Bottom line is I may not define my terms in the context of those clinging to ancient world views and hiding in Plato's cave.
God is not a chess player with the white pieces,
God is the sea and we are the fishes.Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-02-2015, 03:52 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThere is no empirical or deductive argument that can disprove miracles.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostI think you have that backwards. Miracles need to be proofed. Non-miracle is the normative state.
NORMAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGod is spiritual and natural.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostShuny you are just making stuff up again. Please quote me where the Bahai faith teaches that God is "natural." I will be waiting...
Back on topic concerning the nature of these healing miracles.
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I think we're arguing about the distinction between a pantheistic or panentheistic view of God against a more transcendent notion. There ARE some Biblical precedents for at least a panentheistic view of God. This blurs the distinction between natural and supernatural so as to make them practically meaningless. You may not agree with such a position but it is a legitimate one with a long history.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI explained my position. Actually in the Baha'i view ultimately God cannot be defined specifically as supernatural nor natural. The ultimate nature of God is unknown. I am using 'natural' as all of existence is in harmony with the nature of God. God's Creation reflects the attribute's of God, and Creation is a natural process.
Back on topic concerning the nature of these healing miracles.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI think we're arguing about the distinction between a pantheistic or panentheistic view of God against a more transcendent notion. There ARE some Biblical precedents for at least a panentheistic view of God. This blurs the distinction between natural and supernatural so as to make them practically meaningless. You may not agree with such a position but it is a legitimate one with a long history.
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