Religion: Better For Moral Health Of Community?

[NormATive]

So 5 novels! I'm surprised you've sold that many. Did you include a saying about how you thought terrorist were better believers than non terrorist are?



Than you shouldn't have any problem refuting me, but you ignore 90% of the material I post and decided to post a claim about how you are 'researching for a novel' that you haven't discussed, linked to, told about it existing, etc. Sure you have Norm and I'm really royalty.

There's nothing to refute. I made no claims, just my opinion. I'm not going to apologize for my opinion, LPOT. Neither would you. If you want to believe that posting nonsense on an Internet forum is preaching the Gospel, then more power to you. I get it. Preaching in the real world is dangerous and hard.

Like I said; it makes me less afraid, because it is one less Christian making jihad.

NORM

[seer]

And you think those 2000 views are favorable to you?

No more or less favorable than if I went downtown and defended my faith there. This is just another way of communication where I can actually reach more people than I ever could in person. It is neither a bad thing or a waste of time.

[NormATive]

No more or less favorable than if I went downtown and defended my faith there. This is just another way of communication where I can actually reach more people than I ever could in person. It is neither a bad thing or a waste of time.

I agree with you that it is not a bad thing.

NORM

[lilpixieofterror]

There's nothing to refute. I made no claims, just my opinion.

And yet, you gave arguments to defend this 'opinion' of yours and only started this whole opinion nonsense, when your arguments have been crushed and you've been thoroughly refuted. Coming up with a new plan, since your arguments have been so thoroughly refuted and you're unable to come up with a response back? I understand, since admitting you're wrong would require you to admit that your paranoid delusions are just in your head and we can't have that now, can we?

I'm not going to apologize for my opinion, LPOT.

I don't expect you to admit you're wrong because that would require you not to be a hateful bigot of Christians, for daring to disagree with you. I don't think you'd be capable of admitting you're wrong.

Neither would you. If you want to believe that posting nonsense on an Internet forum is preaching the Gospel, then more power to you. I get it. Preaching in the real world is dangerous and hard.

That's right, because it is impossible to do more than one thing during the course of a day. While you might be incapable of doing more than one thing in the course of a day, I can do many things. Of course, you have no idea what I do and don't do in the course of a day, but I guess when you're as arrogant and hate filled as you are, anything is better than admitting you could be wrong about anything, eh?

Like I said; it makes me less afraid, because it is one less Christian making jihad.

That's right because it would be impossible for a person to post online while plotting jihad in a day because you're not smart enough to be capable of doing more than one thing in the course of a day. Of course, your paranoia seems to show itself again. Was your church plotting to take over the world Norm and you just assume the rest of us would be plotting to do the same? I hate to burst your paranoid delusions, but I have about the same desire to plot jihad against people as I do to read any of your 'novels'. Which means my desire for to be a terrorist is below zero. I've already thoroughly refuted your argument here Norm, why do you keep insisting that Christians need to be plotting jihad or would be doing it if they were not posting here? Are your paranoid delusions really that powerful? Wow, might I suggest on visiting a mental health professional? Sounds like you need some help dealing with your paranoid delusions.

[NormATive]

And yet, you gave arguments to defend this 'opinion' of yours ...blah, blah, blah...

Yes, I've answered your questions already. Must have touched a nerve. You shouldn't give in to all that guilt, LPOT. Saving everyone's soul is not your responsibility.

Religion makes a better hobby than vocation.

NORM

[RumTumTugger]

Now I get it Normative is afraid to stand up for his "opinion" because it only proves what an idiot he for is having the belief that for Christians to be serious about our faith we need to turn off our brains when reading the bible and/or become terrorist planing a jihad against non believers. To bad for Norm Christians aren't called to be violent idiots or like him just plain idiots.

[lilpixieofterror]

Yes, I've answered your questions already. Must have touched a nerve. You shouldn't give in to all that guilt, LPOT. Saving everyone's soul is not your responsibility.

Another relic of your fundamentalist past? No, you didn't answer anything. What you did is made up a pile of assertions and when you're assertions have been thoroughly refuted, you dug in your stubborn heels instead of just admitting you were wrong. Second, I'm not trying to 'save your soul', for that is your choice to make; not mine. My job here is to protect sheep from the wolves and expose their nonsense to the light of day. So sorry, no 'nerve' struck, but just calling a spade a spade and proving it. Believe whatever you want though, I already know you will.

Religion makes a better hobby than vocation.

I know you're still amazed that it is possible to do more than one thing at a time, but mindless catch phrases are not going to save you. This one really shows another relic of your fundamentalist past though because Christianity is not a hobby or vocation, but a way of life. You talk about how you were this person who attempted to 'save souls', but you failed to understand the basics of what you were preaching? My Bible says this:

"But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”"
1 Samuel 16:7, NIV

Perhaps that was part of your problem, you didn't spend enough time with inward reflection and working on what truly matters to God to start with? It isn't how many 'souls' you attempt to save Norm, it is what your inward self shows that God looks for. This is a common thread throughout the Bible and yet, it seems you failed to understand even that basic concept. Now when you're done projecting your fundamentalist past upon me, perhaps you'll address a word I said instead of projecting your flaws upon myself and others? It isn't that hard to make religion into a vocation or a hobby, many people have become quite famous and successful at it. Sunday mornings are full of those type of people, so no Norm... it isn't all that difficult to make religion into a vocation either. Too bad that isn't what God looks for though, huh?

[lilpixieofterror]

Now I get it Normative is afraid to stand up for his "opinion" because it only proves what an idiot he for is having the belief that for Christians to be serious about our faith we need to turn off your brains when reading the bible and/or become terrorist planing a jihad against non believers. To bad for Norm Christians aren't called to be violent Idiots or like him just plain idiots.

Norm is just projecting his fundamentalist past upon us. Shoot, he failed to even understand the very basics of the faith. God doesn't look for how many 'souls' you tried to save. He looks at what is inward and what that reflects. Christianity is neither a hobby nor a vocation, but is a way of life. Something Norm failed to understand since it isn't all that hard to make religion into a vocation. Look at how many people have made a rather good living at it and have become quite famous, due to their preaching. Yet, God doesn't look at the fancy labels or fame, but what is inward.

[NormATive]

So, I can assume that both RumTumTugger and LPOT, believe that "fundamentalist" Christians aren't really Christians?

Why do you hate fundamentalist Christians so much?

Frankly, I think fundamentalists have far more faith in the Bible (and only the Bible) than you two seem to have. So, I guess on that level, my opinion is still that you are what they would call "lukewarm" Christians.

NORM

[lilpixieofterror]

So, I can assume that both RumTumTugger and LPOT, believe that "fundamentalist" Christians aren't really Christians?

Another sad attempt to read minds Norm? You should really stop pretending you have the ability to read minds and start actually asking before assuming things. I happen to know quite a few people who fall into the fundamentalist camp and no, I do not considering them less than Christians because I understand the difference between a connotation and a denotation. The connotation of the word' fundamentalist' is more set on a mind set while the denotation is more set on beliefs. The two are not necessarily interlinked together. Now that we got that out of the way, let us try this... do I think those who actually are fundamentalist Christians are not Christians? No. Do I agree with their interpretations of the Bible? No. Do I agree with the narrow sub segment of what some people say fundamentalist Christians are all about? No. Do I think they are not Christians? Hard to say for sure.

Why do you hate fundamentalist Christians so much?

I don't 'hate' them at all Norm, but as I explained above; there is a difference between the popular understand of the word and the definition understanding of the word. Personally, I doubt the church you went to was the definition understanding of the word, but you sure seemed to have fallen into the more popular understanding of the word 'fundy'.

Frankly, I think fundamentalists have far more faith in the Bible (and only the Bible) than you two seem to have. So, I guess on that level, my opinion is still that you are what they would call "lukewarm" Christians.

That's right because anybody who dares to disagree with Norm, in any way, can not possibly be a Christian too and doesn't take their faith seriously. What is your proof of this assertion? Oh, that's right, absolutely nothing but daring to disagree with Norm and daring to show that he's a total idiot that didn't understand the faith he rejected. Now are you done with ad hominem attacks now or do you have any hard proof of your assertions? If not, I guess you just lied about it, in the sad hopes that if you throw enough mud around, some of it might stick?

[NormATive]

Another sad attempt to read minds Norm?

No, just having a little fun with you. The fact that you don't get it is reward enough!

NORM

[RumTumTugger]

So, I can assume that both RumTumTugger and LPOT, believe that "fundamentalist" Christians aren't really Christians?

Why do you hate fundamentalist Christians so much?

Frankly, I think fundamentalists have far more faith in the Bible (and only the Bible) than you two seem to have. So, I guess on that level, my opinion is still that you are what they would call "lukewarm" Christians.

NORM

Norm you have no idea what it means to be serious about the Christian faith. until you admit that you will always be wrong about lilpixie, myself and others like us WHO DO TAKE OUR FAITH SERIOUSLY. and no i'm not lukewarm in my pursuit and defense of the TRUTH revealed to us by God. As you have found out

[lilpixieofterror]

No, just having a little fun with you. The fact that you don't get it is reward enough!

NORM

Yep, the classic, "I'm just doing this for the lol's" excuse to avoid admitting you were wrong! Gosh, you'll do anything to avoid admitting you're wrong, eh? Here, let me help you come up with your next excuse to avoid admitting you're wrong because you're too full of pride to just admit you made a mistake.

1. The sun was in my eyes!
2. My evil twin typed that out!
3. My dog ate my reply!
4. My cat walked across my keyboard and typed that response out!

Sureeee you're just doing this for the laughs. So does that mean when you said:

The only way religion is good for society is when its adherents don't take the religion seriously - especially when it comes to religions based on the ancient or medieval writings.

Even when religious adherents are foaming at the mouth literalists, they still generally obey the secular governments. They may believe that the god of their [book] is Supreme and Superior to all others, but they stop short of overthrowing their secular governments to install their god to the throne.

If you TRULY believe that homosexuality is an abomination to G-d and socialism is evil, then why are you not actively seeking to overthrow your government? Do you not have confidence that your god will see you to victory? The Tanakh, for example, clearly instructs that a theocracy is the preferred governmental order (see I, II Samuel).

I think this is an indication that even fundamentalists acknowledge that we are better off when religion is not the basis for civil society. Thankfully, for the rest of us, they are content with apocalyptic dreams of a religious world order.

For that, I am eternally grateful for theistic dualism. Thank you, Plato!!!

NORM

or when you said:

Not a lie. You don't take your religion seriously. If you did, you wouldn't be wasting your time on an Internet forum. You would instead be out in the street protesting and organizing to take over America as a religious theocracy - just like the jihadists are doing with Islam.

NORM

You really didn't mean it and were just trolling? No, I don't think so because you really do believe that RTT, myself, and everybody here are not 'True Christians^TM' for daring to hold an opinion that isn't the same as what Norm believes it should be. What will be your next excuse so you could avoid admitting you're wrong? I gave you 4, perhaps you could use one of those on your next excuse because I think you really do believe the nonsense you post and you just made this up because you're incapable of admitting you were wrong, no matter what. Keep digging that hole. China isn't far off now!

[lilpixieofterror]

Norm you have no idea what it means to be serious about the Christian faith. until you admit that you will always be wrong about lilpixie, myself and others like us WHO DO TAKE OUR FAITH SERIOUSLY. and no i'm not lukewarm in my pursuit and defense of the TRUTH revealed to us by God. As you have found out

Haven't you seen his latest excuse, he is just trolling now! I mean:

1. He made a statement to seer that is the exact same thing as he's been saying for awhile. Christians here on tWeb 'do not take their faith seriously.'
2. He attempted to defend this statement by giving links to the Bible.
3. He made his next excuse, to avoid admitting he's wrong, on saying he just had an opinion and didn't have to defend his opinion.
4. Now he's trying a new game in which he just admit he's just trolling because he can't admit he was wrong!

Perhaps we should take bets on what his next excuse will be to avoid admitting he was wrong. Perhaps the sun was in his eyes and he accidentally typed out what he said? Perhaps it was his evil twin posting? Whatever the answer, I'm sure he will further embarrass myself even more than he already has.

[thewriteranon]

Yep, the classic, "I'm just doing this for the lol's" excuse to avoid admitting you were wrong! Gosh, you'll do anything to avoid admitting you're wrong, eh? Here, let me help you come up with your next excuse to avoid admitting you're wrong because you're too full of pride to just admit you made a mistake.

1. The sun was in my eyes!
2. My evil twin typed that out!
3. My dog ate my reply!
4. My cat walked across my keyboard and typed that response out!

Sureeee you're just doing this for the laughs. So does that mean when you said:

Don't forget, "This was all just a social experiment!"