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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt is the Quantum World that is possibly eternal and/or infinite, and not individual microscopic particle of matter measured in terms of Quanta..
You still need a basic high school level physics course.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostInfinite and eternal existences of finite things do not make what is finite not to be finite and temporal.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . had a beginning in a multiverse.
Not to mention the general scientific implausibility of the multiverse hypothesis...
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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In order for anything to exist eternally there needs to be an uncaused Existence, be it God or not. The simple truth is you do not want God to be God.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhat is finite and temporal is the particles including atoms, molecules, and human beings in our physical existence does not make our physical existence finite and temporal.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat just moves your problem back one step: If the multiverse caused our present universe, then what caused the multiverse?
Not to mention the general scientific implausibility of the multiverse hypothesis...
IT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC REFERENCE. It misrepresents scientists without provided accurate citations from their works.
What caused the Multiverse? The Multiverse possibly exists in an eternal infinite Quantum World, and there are possibly many Multiverses.
What caused God?Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-04-2018, 12:16 PM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostIn order for anything to exist eternally there needs to be an uncaused Existence, be it God or not. The simple truth is you do not want God to be God.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostIn order for anything to exist eternally there needs to be an uncaused Existence, be it God or not. The simple truth is you do not want God to be God.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes and I'm positing an eternal, infinite, material existence existing. This has nothing to do with gods existing or not.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostRegardless of what people want it is possible an eternal infinite physical existence exists, and an eternal Natural Law is the eternal cause.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostCauses are temporal and finite or they would not be a cause.
An eternal cause as a unite consists of being both eternal and temporal. Physical existence consists of temporal and finite things. An eternal physical existence has a beginning but no end. The issue of being eternal is a metaphysical one.
Despite repeating your assertions over and over you have failed to present a coherent argument.
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