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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWell you are assuming monotheism evolved from polytheism. Where as God was known to the first man and woman that He made. Which you do not believe.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post...and polytheism evolved from animism, i.e. the belief that objects, places and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence. The earliest human hominids, if they had any religious beliefs at all, would have been closer to animism than the much later, more sophisticated monotheist religions.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis "account" is based upon folktales.
Says who?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYou do not know that. That is what you choose to believe.
The God you refuse to know.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYou do not know that. That is what you choose to believe.
The God you refuse to know.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, that is where the evidence leads, should you care to take an objective look at it.
Did god tell you this personally, or did your knowledge of gods existence come to you second hand?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's what I believe based upon the available evidence.
As opposed to the god you believe you "know". There is no good reason why I should believe your personal deity exists.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostPresent this evidence.
Through the self authentication of Holy Scripture you can know God for yourself.
God is invisible and everywhere.
God speaks to man through the laws of nature (creation) and the Holy Scriptures.
Evidence is contingent on said evidence existing. God being the fundamental self evidence being the uncaused existence behind all other existences.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostHow does the available evidence as you interpret it rule out God being the uncaused existence behind all other existences?
What do you want for a good reason? You have not provided an argument which irrefutably rules out God.
Originally posted by 37818 View PostPresent this evidence.
Through the self authentication of Holy Scripture you can know God for yourself. God is invisible and everywhere. God speaks to man through the laws of nature (creation) and the Holy Scriptures. Evidence is contingent on said evidence existing. God being the fundamental self evidence being the uncaused existence behind all other existences.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
If god is invisible and immaterial how does he connect with material creatures like us? Where is the connection or nexus between the immaterial and the material?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWe've presented it to you a hundred times over. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Through the self authentication of Holy Scripture you can know God for yourself.
Yes, the bible tells you so.
Yep, so does Allah.
Gobbledygook.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostFirst, uncaused existence would need no gods.
Secondly, what ever could be god would have to be one and the same as uncaused existence or would not be God.As for interfacing with the caused material existence it would need be by what ever uncaused cause brought caused existence to begin. Cause being something else than its existence.
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