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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo it isn't because there is no contradiction like in 37818's statement. 'Persons' are a different class than 'God'
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postthey are plural persons not entities. God is one God revealed in three distinct persons. Each person is fully God. One God, not three.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostCorrect, and a father, a son, and a holy ghost are 3 persons, not one god and any attempt to make 3 = 1 is a contradiction. Jesus was on earth and said "my father who is up in heaven." That's 2 persons separated by space. Who knows where the holy ghost was at the time?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou still do not understand that 1: Jesus had two natures, Man and God and 2: "Person" is not the same category as "God," and 3: What happened on the cross.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostCorrect, and a father, a son, and a holy ghost are 3 persons, not one god and any attempt to make 3 = 1 is a contradiction. Jesus was on earth and said "my father who is up in heaven." That's 2 persons separated by space. Who knows where the holy ghost was at the time?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAre persons gods? No. God is a person (Father).
But deity (God) and personhood are two distinct things.
As for the Holy Spirit He is referred to as the Spirit of Truth (John 14:16-17). The Apostle Paul refers to Him as the "Spirit of God" and as the "Spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9) by whom Christians know they are Christians (Romans 8:16) the Holy Spirit being a Person "itself" (Himself, but no gender, not masculine therefore "itself").
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