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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, so jesus wasn't talking to himself when questioning why he had been forsaken, correct? And btw, what do you mean by distinct? Are you saying that god has 3 separate minds, or is it just 1 mind and he is talking to himself?
The Father is a person.
The Son is a person.
The Holy Spirit is a person.
The son is not the father or the holy spirit.
The father is not the son or the holy spirit.
The holy spirit is not the father or the son.
The Father is fully God.
The Son is fully God.
The Holy Spirit is fully God.
There is only one God.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe One God is revealed in three persons who are not the same person.
The Father is a person.
The Son is a person.
The Holy Spirit is a person.
The son is not the father or the holy spirit.
The father is not the son or the holy spirit.
The holy spirit is not the father or the son.
The Father is fully God.
The Son is fully God.
The Holy Spirit is fully God.
There is only one God.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou seem to be having a difficult time in answering the question directly, Sparko. When you say 3 persons, are you suggesting that god has 3 distinct minds that communicate with one another, or does god have one mind shared by 3 distinct persons? Was Jesus talking to himself, or was he talking to a distinct mind when questioning the Father?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDo you not recognize your own contradictions as you type them out?Does the term "person" mean "god?" No. Now God is a person (the Father).
Again, you make simple inexplicable assertions because you can not make logical sense of what you mean by those assertions.
I didn't ask, . . .
Who knows where the holy ghost was at the time?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, 1 god, with 3 minds that are exactly the same. Seriously Sparko? We athiests are going to have to start our own Ultimate screwballs thread if you keep this up.
Jim what you are failing to understand is God's omniscience.
For example God is fully aware of evey electron in the universe. Its state, place, spin etc. Everyone of them. So three Persons who are the One God is a small matter compared to God's infinite consciousness. Begin fully conscious of every electron. Think Jim.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostJim you can HERE.
Jim what you are failing to understand is God's omniscience.
For example God is fully aware of evey electron in the universe. Its state, place, spin etc. Everyone of them. So three Persons who are the One God is a small matter compared to God's infinite consciousness. Begin fully conscious of every electron. Think Jim.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOriginally posted by Sparko View Postthey are plural persons not entities. God is one God revealed in three distinct persons. Each person is fully God. One God, not three.
Sparko is not a modalist.
Sparko,
My understanding of "entity," an entity is any existing "thing." So "entities" do not all have to be of the same classification. So a "person" is a class of an entity, a "god" or "deity" is a class of entity. Where three entities are in fact the one entity.
So what definition of "entity" are you using?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostTassman,
Sparko is not a modalist.
Sparko,
My understanding of "entity," an entity is any existing "thing." So "entities" do not all have to be of the same classification. So a "person" is a class of an entity, a "god" or "deity" is a class of entity. Where three entities are in fact the one entity.
So what definition of "entity" are you using?
It's a riot.
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Originally Posted by 37818
Jim you can HERE.
Jim what you are failing to understand is God's omniscience.
For example God is fully aware of evey electron in the universe. Its state, place, spin etc. Everyone of them. So three Persons who are the One God is a small matter compared to God's infinite consciousness. Begin fully conscious of every electron. Think Jim.
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The universe is in evidence. The universe is in evidence of it being caused. Existence [uncaused] needs no evidence. And God is the [uncaused] Existence. Atheism is based on nothing except denial of evidence. Evidence is dependant on there being Existence.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View Postevery attempt to explain the doctrine of the Holy Trinity falls into heresy, because it is essentially contradictory in and of itself. Even the official explanation (the Athanasian Creed) only works because it contradicts itself every second clause, e.g.: "10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. 11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal......."
It's a riot.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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