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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostI see nothing strange about it. I used to think it strange, but that was back in the days when I believed we were created by God.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by seer View PostAs a Christian you would have believed that there were universal moral truths (as revealed in the teachings and example of Christ) that you were not living up to.
Originally posted by seer View PostBut now, we are just animals doing what animals do
Originally posted by seer View Postso you are actually dissatisfied with your natural state. Hence you seek some arbitrary ideal of perfection. That is strange...
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostClose enough. I would have said they were revealed in the Bible.
That's not the whole of it. We also do a few things that no other animals do, because we have brains very different from the brains of any other animal.
Whether it is strange or not, it is not my thinking. You are saying that I think "A, therefore B," but I do not believe that B follows from A.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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It should be noted we humans as animals are the only known rational animals we ourselves know of. It is this rational aspect of us as human animals which makes us in "the image of God.". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostYes, if there is a God. If there's not, then our rationality is just a characteristic that distinguishes us from other animals.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostIs the universe irrational or rational in its origin?
Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhere does rationality come from?
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostNeither. Rationality is a property of thought, not of inanimate entities such as the universe.
It is an emergent property of certain computational systems.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818Is the universe irrational or rational in its origin?
Originally posted by Doug ShaverNeither. Rationality is a property of thought, not of inanimate entities such as the universe.Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe laws that governs our universe are rational in that they can be deduced from the evidences of our universe and understood by us as rational beings to make science for us possible.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhere does rationality come from? Is the universe irrational or rational in its origin?
Perhaps the universe is neither rational nor irrational? If we presume that rationality is a necessity of free-will, then, degrees of rationality will exist in "life" that has corresponding degrees of free-will? If so, then human beings have greater degrees of rationality because we have a greater degree of free-will? Therefore, objects with no free-will will not posses rationality but can still function in ways that human intellect perceives as "rational" because we understand "laws of nature" (or God).....?...
If we accept the above presumption, that degrees of "rationality" is a necessity of degrees of free-will, then "desire" (hunger, sleep, anger...etc) are also a necessity of survival of "life". The balance between these 2 aspects creates the "moral codes" therefore, the difference between the moral codes of animals and that of humans is that of the balance between these 2 aspects? (Intellect and Instinct). "Civilized" morality is one that weighs towards rationality rather than towards desire---for example, when an unfair injury occurs--there is anger, which can be resolved in 2 ways---the way of desire/instinct is vengeance (uncivilized/animal) the way of the intellect/rationality is the application of justice (civilized/human). but even in the application of justice there are degrees of humane-ness, punitive justice which seeks punishment or restorative justice which seeks reconciliation. The intellect/rational alone is not enough---the desire/instinct for compassion and mercy is necessary for free-will to be "humane"....?....This can be called "altruism" or "love of God".Last edited by siam; 09-23-2017, 01:01 AM.
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