They are not Christians!

[Mountain Man]

So who do you think is a real Christian and who is not?

A real Christian is anybody who confesses with his mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believes in his heart that God raised him from the dead (Romans 10:9).

[eider]

A real Christian is anybody who confesses with his mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believes in his heart that God raised him from the dead (Romans 10:9).

So it was Paul who defined what a Christian is......... I've always known that it was nothing to do with anything Jesus said.
Let's have a look at that:-
Rom 10:9 NIV - 9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

How strange! ..... whenever did Jesus say he was a Lord?
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[tabibito]

So it was Paul who defined what a Christian is......... I've always known that it was nothing to do with anything Jesus said.
Let's have a look at that:-
Rom 10:9 NIV - 9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

How strange! ..... whenever did Jesus say he was a Lord?
.

Matthew 7:22

[Mountain Man]

So it was Paul who defined what a Christian is......... I've always known that it was nothing to do with anything Jesus said.
Let's have a look at that:-
Rom 10:9 NIV - 9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

How strange! ..... whenever did Jesus say he was a Lord?
.

Right, based on the skeptical idiocy that Jesus and Paul were preaching different messages.

Romans 10:9 simply echoes John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

[eider]

Matthew 7:22

That was not Jesus calling himself a Lord, it was his description of people who he despised.

[eider]

Right, based on the skeptical idiocy that Jesus and Paul were preaching different messages.

That's right...... all skeptics must be idiots....... but you.... you brilliant mind, you.

Romans 10:9 simply echoes John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

That's it, quote Paul, who never wrote a line about anything that Jesus said or did, save for a last meal and hours. And John, the author/s which claimed to have been the boatman and disciple.

[tabibito]

That was not Jesus calling himself a Lord, it was his description of people who he despised.

Try Mark 11:3 or Mark 12:37

No doubt you will find a problem with 12:37 - it will be interesting to see what objection you might raise to 11:3
It is also interesting to see how often the disciples and others addressed him as "lord," and even more often referred to him as lord.

[eider]

Try Mark 11:3 or Mark 12:37

No doubt you will find a problem with 12:37 - it will be interesting to see what objection you might raise to 11:3

OK, let's look at 11.1-3

Mark:- {11:1} And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two of his disciples, {11:2} And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring [him. ]{11:3} And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.

For a start I think the 'colt story is trying to fulfill a prophesy, so I would bin it out of hand...... I don't believe it happened.
There is no way that Jesus thought of himself as a Lord, nor would he have taken such a position if it had been offered to him.

[Mountain Man]

That's right...... all skeptics must be idiots....... but you.... you brilliant mind, you.


That's it, quote Paul, who never wrote a line about anything that Jesus said or did, save for a last meal and hours. And John, the author/s which claimed to have been the boatman and disciple.

John 3:16 is quoting Jesus' own words, you dumbass, and as tabibito has schooled you, Jesus did, on multiple occasions, refer to himself as Lord. Therefore, Romans 10:9 is simply reiterating Jesus' own teachings.

[tabibito]

OK, let's look at 11.1-3

Mark:- {11:1} And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two of his disciples, {11:2} And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring [him. ]{11:3} And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.

For a start I think the 'colt story is trying to fulfill a prophesy, so I would bin it out of hand...... I don't believe it happened.
There is no way that Jesus thought of himself as a Lord, nor would he have taken such a position if it had been offered to him.

Oh my - do you think that being called lord was something significant in Koine Greek? Really?

The word had no more significance in Koine Greek than it does (or did, rather) in English - Pretty much anyone of higher status could be addressed as lord. Think of the butler addressing his employer, the hotel proprietor addressing a valued client.

[Cow Poke]

John tells us in his gospel that the reason he wrote was twofold
A) that you may know that Jesus is the Christ
2) that in Him you may find life

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

John 3:16 is quoting Jesus' own words, you dumbass, and as tabibito has schooled you, Jesus did, on multiple occasions, refer to himself as Lord. Therefore, Romans 10:9 is simply reiterating Jesus' own teachings.

[Mountain Man]

For a start I think the 'colt story is trying to fulfill a prophesy, so I would bin it out of hand...... I don't believe it happened.

Right, anything in the Bible that disproves your preferred narrative, you "bin it out of hand".

And you wonder why I refer to your arguments as skeptical idiocy.

[Mountain Man]

Vacuous mockery is not an argument.

Perhaps you could trouble yourself to show how Romans 10:9 is inconsistent with Jesus' teachings?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Vacuous mockery is not an argument.

Perhaps you could trouble yourself to show how Romans 10:9 is inconsistent with Jesus' teachings?

Write nonsense and expect to be mocked.