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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Incredibly so. Just like you.

    Both of you tend to make these assertions without backing them up (kind of a thing with you ), or in H_A's case, occasionally trying to support it by posting someone else asserting their opinion without backing it up.

    I noted previously how this nonsense has been largely flushed from academia as more evidence has come forth that has put this notion in severe doubt. Maybe you can offer up some papers (not internet articles or popular press books), where scholars are still even debating this.

    You appear to consider that Christianity was formed in a cultural vacuum.

    And of course not one single academic source is provided in support of this [as usual] sweeping pronouncement:

    this nonsense has been largely flushed from academia as more evidence has come forth that has put this notion in severe doubt.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Incredibly so. Just like you.

      Both of you tend to make these assertions without backing them up (kind of a thing with you ), or in H_A's case, occasionally trying to support it by posting someone else asserting their opinion without backing it up.

      I noted previously how this nonsense has been largely flushed from academia as more evidence has come forth that has put this notion in severe doubt. Maybe you can offer up some papers (not internet articles or popular press books), where scholars are still even debating this.


      The hilarious thing is that the Paul letter's necessitate an already established Christian community. Some kind of Christian doctrine had to have preexisted Paul and been in circulation.
      P1) If , then I win.

      P2)

      C) I win.

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      • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post


        The hilarious thing is that the Paul letter's necessitate an already established Christian community. Some kind of Christian doctrine had to have preexisted Paul and been in circulation.
        Paul's [deemed authentic] letters are to the communities he established and all those communities are some distance from Jerusalem.
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          Paul's [deemed authentic] letters are to the communities he established and all those communities are some distance from Jerusalem.
          So the communities existed before the letters we have. How did Paul establish these communities before the letters?
          P1) If , then I win.

          P2)

          C) I win.

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          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            Paul's [deemed authentic] letters are to the communities he established and all those communities are some distance from Jerusalem.
            Really? He had never been to Rome when he wrote the letter to the Romans, and IIRC there is one other letter written to a congregation that Paul had not founded.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

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            • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

              So the communities existed before the letters we have. How did Paul establish these communities before the letters?
              He went to those places with his gospel.

              We do not have the complete correspondence.

              I Corinthians appears to be a reply to a [now lost] letter [or some other missive] that had been sent to Paul and Galatians is a warning to his proselytes against backsliding and false teachers along with a distinct animus towards the leaders in Jerusalem.

              He is also somewhat emphatic in chapter one where he states, "In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!"

              What prompted that?
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

                So the communities existed before the letters we have. How did Paul establish these communities before the letters?
                Could it be that he presented the gospel, and his credentials as an apostle? Surely not.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                  He went to those places with his gospel.

                  We do not have the complete correspondence.

                  I Corinthians appears to be a reply to a [now lost] letter [or some other missive] that had been sent to Paul and Galatians is a warning to his proselytes against backsliding and false teachers along with a distinct animus towards the leaders in Jerusalem.
                  Yet again? It has been explained to you before that your interpretation that there was animus is flawed, and the evidence of how and why your reading is flawed was presented.

                  He is also somewhat emphatic in chapter one where he states, "In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!"

                  What prompted that?
                  Sounds like someone was calling him a liar.
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                  .
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                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                    Yet again? It has been explained to you before that your interpretation that there was animus is flawed,
                    Your interpretation is no more valid than my own.

                    Originally posted by tabibito View Post


                    Sounds like someone was calling him a liar.
                    I wonder why?

                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                      Your interpretation is no more valid than my own.
                      Mine is based on the evidence available from the scripture, which is to say, the worst that can be said is that I affirm what is written. You, by contrast, have to deny what is written, not just the veracity of the account, but the very existence of the account itself.



                      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                      .
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                      Scripture before Tradition:
                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

                      ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                      • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                        Mine is based on the evidence available from the scripture, which is to say, the worst that can be said is that I affirm what is written. You, by contrast, have to deny what is written, not just the veracity of the account, but the very existence of the account itself.


                        Oh I keep forgetting that your "truth" is superior and it trumps anything that challenges it!
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          Oh I keep forgetting that your "truth" is superior and it trumps anything that challenges it!
                          Your tells are showing.
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

                          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            With regard to how much comes from Jesus - we can never precisely know. The gospel accounts are all written later and were intended to preach and teach the Christian beliefs of their respective communities.

                            However the Synoptics [particularly Mark] do offer us glimpses of a real Jewish charismatic teacher and healer who believed the kingdom of God was imminent and who urged his fellow Jews to repent.

                            We also need to remember the great debt owned to Hellenism by early Christianity.
                            Well, yes. I reckon that G-Mark is the real account, once sieved of it's additions.
                            And yes, of I believe that Hellenism did indeed contribute much to Christianity.
                            And the Northern cultures contributed as well.

                            I've started the thread and so am most interested to discover more about this.

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Incredibly so. Just like you.
                              You use 'incredibly' there?

                              Both of you tend to make these assertions without backing them up (kind of a thing with you ),
                              Really? Why do you think I have posted up a thread on this very subject?

                              [/QUOTE]

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                              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                I am not the one who wrote:




                                I am still waiting for you to provide some quotes from me to substantiate those remarks
                                Look through your posts over the past week and...

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I have suggested some reading material for you. I suggest you inform yourself.
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Why should I bother? MM will simply ignore what I write [as he did my last reply] because he is completely entrenched in his preconceived opinions.
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                As I have just commented, why should I bother? You will simply ignore whatever I write because you are entrenched in your preconceived opinions and beliefs.
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Given that your question has nothing to do with this thread, why are you repeatedly posting it?
                                Aside from that

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I have given my reasons in the past and feel no need to repeat them
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I simply cannot be bothered with you and your tiresome behaviour.
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Do not give me orders.
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I am refusing to be diverted by you down a totally irrelevant path.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

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